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Taking Down the Jib

Hi all,
My next project will be taking the roller furling jib down from an Islander Bahama 30. I need to re-sew the UV protector material to the sail. My question is this: Do I need to replace the forestay with a temporary stay when I take the jib down? Right now, I think the roller furling jib system acts as the forestay. I understand that if I do, I will need to fasten the temporary forestay before I remove the jib. Is there a preferred system for this? Steel cable, a strong rope? Anyone with advice? I would hate to be at the top of the mast and suddenly find myself in a backward quarter circle toward the water (boat is in a slip). :-)

Thanks in advance for any replies/assistance.

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Re: Taking Down the Jib

Sorry, but you're still a newbie if you don't know how to drop a jib....

No need to rig anything. You will have one of your halyards sitting all coiled up somewhere.. that's the one holding up the jib. Uncoil it, shake all the dirt and crap out of it and then roll out your jib all the way. Release that halyard that you just found and pull the luff down the furler's foil groove. When it's on deck disconnect the upper shackle and the lower shackle, untie the sheets and fold the sail for transport.

Once it's fixed, tie the sheets back on, and reverse the process to re hoist the sail,and you're on your way!
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Re: Taking Down the Jib

ditto on Fasters advice but you will most likely need to tie a line on halyard or cable halyard that goes up when you lower the jib. It can quickly get too high to recover otherwise and could even go all the way up. Never ever let the ends of halyards (or jib track cables) ever get away from you!

edit; some furlers use the actual jib halyard. Mine is an older CDI and the jib has a internal cable
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Re: Taking Down the Jib

I'm not sure he doesn't have an older furler without a foil where the luff wire doubled as a stay. I had one such on my yawl, but she also had a headstay. Or maybe a forestay, it's been a while.
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Re: Taking Down the Jib

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ditto on Fasters advice but you will most likely need to tie a line on halyard or cable halyard that goes up when you lower the jib. It can quickly get too high to recover otherwise and could even go all the way up. Never ever let the ends of halyards (or jib track cables) ever get away from you!

edit; some furlers use the actual jib halyard. Mine is an older CDI and the jib has a internal cable
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Thought I said that, while thinking the OP would not know what "messenger line" would mean
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Re: Taking Down the Jib

I understand your trepidation, H2. Our neighbor showed us how to take ours down last fall after owning the boat for two seasons and we stood there gaping at him. We looked at each other and said "We PAID someone to do this??!!"

It's not as scary as it looks.
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Re: Taking Down the Jib

I would recommend you take pictures of everything so when it comes to putting it back on you know where everything goes.
It is easy to get stuff connected to the wrong place.
Some stuff turns, some stuff doesn't turn. There may be mulitple places a given shacke can connect to. Some of those places are the wrong ones.
Also work out in your head if you want most of the furling line already rolled up on the drum or most of it in the cockpit. I'll let you figure that out before you hoist the sail after it is fixed.

Another good idea if this is your first time is after the jib is rolled all the way out the before you loose the halyard have someone role it up a couple turns then let it out a couple of times while you look at how everything is connected and why it is working the way it is working.

It is really easy and fundamentally simple just like the guys have said.
My warning is that besides having a messenger line connected to the end of the halyard so you don't loose it, it is possible to connect stuff to the wrong place.
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Re: Taking Down the Jib

OK All. Thanks so much so far. I had taken pictures but have so many I forgot where they were on the computer.

Anyway, it looks like the jib is actually hard connected to the mast head with a steel pin and circlips. It goes like this: mast head, upper swivel mounted to mast head with steel rod and circlips, upper swivel with top of jib hard mounted to swivel, forestay through middle of jib hard mounted to the top of lower drum, bottom of lower drum hard mounted to plate on bow. It looks like the jib does not have anything actually allowing for a raising or lowering by means of a jib halyard, which should be attached to the top of the jib, and I think the cable inside the jib acts as the forestay. Look at the photos I've posted please.

So does that change your recommendations? Do I need to rig a temporary forestay before disconnecting the upper swivel from the mast head?

Thanks again for your help.
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Re: Taking Down the Jib

Wow, old wire luff furler. thought they were all gone by now. can be done that way but not the best way. looks like the luff wire is the forstay. are there any small line running up the luff of the sail that are used to raise the sail ? they may be in the wire pocket and hidden. if not you will have to go up the mast to remove the sail. the jib haylard can be used as a temporary forestay while you remove the jib. use the main halyard to hoist someone up there. I you have never done this before you may want to get someone with experiance to help you
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