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Re: How to get started with fiberglass...

I posted the local prices here - if you can get West for the same or close to no-name then go ahead.

I've never had a failure or needed a tech line so I'll just keep the $$$$$ I've saved over the years. $20-$25 a liter less works just fine for me.
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$20-$25 a liter less works just fine for me.
Huh?
That doesn't add up compared to the numbers you posted earlier. Now your no-name resin is $80-100/gallon cheaper?
I'm not sure when you last priced epoxy, but I do know they have at least one West Marine in Vancouver,and at WM a gallon of 105 epoxy is $100...maybe less, because they price match,and aircraft spruce's price is $95/gallon. Add the appropriate resin at $30-40, and you're at less than $140 per 1.25 gallons of product at current prices.
To compare, MAS resin at West marine is $125/gallon plus hardener is $35-50/quart,and the mix ratio is 2:1, so the hardener cost is higher on top of a higher resin cost. $195-225 for 1.5 gallons of product

That's the real world comparison in today's dollars. West simply isn't much more expensive, at least not any more.
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If you think a 10-15 percent difference is much more, I hate to see how you tip.
As a rule, Canadians should be very careful of criticizing, or even mentioning the way others may tip. In tourist locations there's a joke: What's the difference between a Canadian and a canoe? Answer: A canoe will tip.
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Huh?
That doesn't add up compared to the numbers you posted earlier. Now your no-name resin is $80-100/gallon cheaper?
I'm not sure when you last priced epoxy, but I do know they have at least one West Marine in Vancouver,and at WM a gallon of 105 epoxy is $100...maybe less, because they price match,and aircraft spruce's price is $95/gallon. Add the appropriate resin at $30-40, and you're at less than $140 per 1.25 gallons of product at current prices.
To compare, MAS resin at West marine is $125/gallon plus hardener is $35-50/quart,and the mix ratio is 2:1, so the hardener cost is higher on top of a higher resin cost. $195-225 for 1.5 gallons of product

That's the real world comparison in today's dollars. West simply isn't much more expensive, at least not any more.
O/K BL, lets add things up. The lowest I have seen West 105 here is $145. Add the hardener at say an average $40 plus tax - $145 + $40 = $185 + 12% HST = $22 and you have $207 for 5 liters compared to the current $116 for the no name, per Faster = $91 less for 5 liters.

When you need 30 or so liters like I did for a deck recore it adds up.

Apparently the stuff is noticeably cheaper in the East. I don't bother with price matching - why should I give my business to someone who will screw me unless I call them on it? I'll give my business to a straight guy like George instead.

I stand by my expressed bottom line - the no name stuff is a lot cheaper (at least here) and works just as well. I bought a first edition of the Gougeon's book 35 years ago so I have all the consulting I need.
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Re: How to get started with fiberglass...

Don't want to hijack the thread, but can someone share the tip for getting the cloth to lay flat when going around corners? Seems the one thing I still have trouble with unless the epoxy has started to cure and that presents it's own shortcomings.
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O/K BL, lets add things up. The lowest I have seen West 105 here is $145. Add the hardener at say an average $40 plus tax - $145 + $40 = $185 + 12% HST = $22 and you have $207 for 5 liters compared to the current $116 for the no name, per Faster = $91 less for 5 liters.

When you need 30 or so liters like I did for a deck recore it adds up.
I gave you current pricing available at at least three outlets in the lower mainland. WM pricing is the same across the country. Volume makes a difference as well- if you need 30 litres, the cost is even lower.
You have an interesting attitude to price matching- a retailer is willing to be price competitive, and you think you're getting screwed?
Every major grocery store has a price matching policy- do you feel you get screwed everytime you buy PC Decadent chocolate chip cookies?
I am not arguing with your experience, Sloopy, I am simply demonstrating that your experience may not be the norm, and your opinion may not be actual fact, at least in the current marketplace. Fro novices looking for advice, the more factual info they receive, the more successful they will actually be in their projects.
I encourage folks to work with epoxy- it is an addictive substance. Fix something, and next thing you know you're thinking about building a boat.
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Don't want to hijack the thread, but can someone share the tip for getting the cloth to lay flat when going around corners? Seems the one thing I still have trouble with unless the epoxy has started to cure and that presents it's own shortcomings.
It's IMPERATIVE that outside corners be rounded off to at least 1/4" radius for light cloth, larger for heavier fabric and roving. To prevent inside corners lifting you need to fill and fillet those to similar dimensions so that the cloth is always bonding to something.

Biaxial cloth is more forgiving, especially in double inside corners, and will be more easily worked 'into shape' with fewer wrinkles and folds than straight woven fabric.
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Re: How to get started with fiberglass...

Biaxial cloth is a royal PITA to cut, though, but faster is spot on. fiberglass does not like sharp corners and right angles.
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You have an interesting attitude to price matching- a retailer is willing to be price competitive, and you think you're getting screwed?
My attitude is that if I have to hunt around and find a better price, why should I go to a place that charges more and give them the opportunity to simply match it? They should better it at that point, otherwise I will give my custom to the outfit that had the better price in the first place.

I can see getting a local outfit to match Internet pricing but not local against local.

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The hinges were a bit loose and have started to wear away/crack the fiberglass underneath the gelcoat.

R,
You may just need to beef up the mounting location where the screws for the hinges pass into the deck material.
Are the screws a typical screw like a wood screw or a separate nut and a bolt set up? This is important to know before I can advise you what to do?

Will try to coach you through the repair, just did it myself...so the info is fresh, get it while you can! LOL
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