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Re: Anchor Wars

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Our Product is good on that point we agree I am glad


First I think you should watch the video another time and you will see the Manson Supreme is in there, we did not want to crowd the video, but Manson Boss does not set here at any scope. Hold, did you even watch the video ?

We use 2:1 Scope to mirror the Practicle Sailor Test:
http://www.manson-marine.co.nz/Anchor%20Tests/Practical%20Sailor%20Large%20Anchor%20Tests.pdf

Its a way to challenge the anchor, as stated earlier, even in these conditions Mantus Sets. To a reasonable person that implies that in less demanding conditions it will work as well..... If does not, you can reference a video library of pulls with and without vehicles, with and without chain and at different scopes.
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We are still working on it, but I think will satisfy everyone's idea of a perfect Test eventually.....
What I am trying to relate in this video is that Mantus "Sets" better than competition if I thought it was no different than its brothers I would not be spending this time to convince you otherwise....
Gimme a break...

PS only tested 3 anchors in this 2009 test.Part of their their conclusion was;
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The Ray, Rocna, and Supreme are all well-made anchors, and all showed good setting ability in difficult bottom conditions in our beach testing.
The performances of the Rocna and Supreme were very similar, with the edge going to the Supreme in price and short-scope situations and the Rocna in hard sand and ultimate holding.
They were not given the opportunity to test the construction quality of your anchor, and I would hold anything that you say as suspect. The simple fact is that you are biased... All that you did here was test setting ability in an unrealistic test...

IF you really want an unbiased conclusion, send Main Sail a 30-35lb version of your anchor, and ask him to do a writeup. Otherwise, you are making me think of Craig Smith....
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Re: Anchor Wars

The trouble with the video test is the precise angle of all rope rode, which may take advantage of a specific geometry of the Mantus. However, lets see it over a variety of scopes, with and without chain and at other weights.

Seriously, every single anchor manufacturer out there has determined the precise test they will win.

I'm not saying this isn't a good anchor, just that the video isn't as convincing as it was intended and may be backfiring a bit. Run it through all the paces and you may have something I've never seen another document.
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Throw 5-6 ft of chain on there I'm sure they would all set almost exactly the same.
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Re: Anchor Wars

I believe mainsail HAS purchased an anchor, and has some basic test results posted. Overall, he was pretty impressed as I recall.

There is another fellow local, that has one as his std anchor, and has gone thru some 60 knot winds and held so far. Altho with his pertinacity to figure out how to ground his boat......not sure a 100 lbs version will do him any good. I can figure out how to get the size he has, IIRC in the 40-50 lbs range.

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I just dig the '70's porn music. Well done Mantus!
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I just dig the '70's porn music. Well done Mantus!
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Re: Anchor Wars

Guys, step back a second! Even if we could accommodate everyone's wishes and conduct a perfect test that was designed with solid scientific method and reported nice graphs with confidence intervals for all the engineers out there . I will present this data in a write up or a graph and everyone will believe it obviously because I am ...Russian? or Just have an honest face? I don't even shave but once a month.
Why not take it for what it is..... Here in our great state of Texas there is a beach that has hard bottom.... small anchors don't set there, Mantus does.....
It sets there even at short scope. If that does not tell you anything..... well so be it
However there might be some viewers out there that pause and say:
"little baby 2 lbs Mantus can set, where a 21 lbs Spade can't, I will take note"
So this videos though not helpful to some provide useful info to others or so I hope
Be safe out there with whatever you got on your boat
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Re: Anchor Wars

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Besides what formal test do you know, that tests setting in hard to penetrate bottom....
Have you ever seen at test where an anchor from a big Manufacturer completely failed? Tests don't get set up that way..
The closest you could come to a real test is Main Sail.... And the combined knowledge of the sailing community....
In an emergency you need gear that you can rely on, it needs to work all the time and every time.... and immediately
Ok, here is the quote from Mainesail initial testing in "Another Next Generation Anchor Enters the Market Post #146


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The new gen anchors are all they are cracked up to be.... I can use ANY anchor I want from the top list, I currently own them and they owe me nothing. After years of my own testing, for my own edification, I choose the Rocna, Manson Supreme or Mantus first then the Spade as second.

I am currently using the Mantus and it is a very, very good anchor. After this season is over I will go back to my Rocna but only because it fits my roller better. The Mantus will join my Spade as a back up/storm anchor as well as the Fortress s my dedicated stern anchor.

I find the Manson, Rocna and Mantus to be very similar in performance with the Mantus slightly edging out the Rocna and Manson in fast setting. Course when I say fast we are talking inches difference in set not feet...Mainesail
An endoresement for Mantus, but not exactley what your video is stating. As I stated before no apparent advantage over the other Next Gen anchors, Rocna and Manson Supreme. The big selling point is its able to be stowed easily. I have one now as a backup stowed in my anchor locker. Just as a side I have anchored in hard sand many times with a 33 ln Rocna and 60 ft of chain with never a problem the Rocna digging first time down. I would expect the same from the Mantus/

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Ok, here is the quote from Mainesail initial testing in "Another Next Generation Anchor Enters the Market Post #146
Now that is completely credible. Each generation should be an improvement over the last, and so I have no trouble believing the Mantus is very good. But having used Rocna and Manson I know what they will do. Dragging them at very low scope on hard sand with no chain is silly. If the tester had lifted the rope just a bit higher none would have bit, and from that we could conclude that a rock would serve as well.

Bolts? When new I'm sure it is rock solid, as that is easier to engineer than a weld. After 15 years? Only testing to destruction could say, but I suspect periodic bolt replacement would be needed for heavy users. 5 years? Wait longer and they won't come out. I would lean towards all welded, as the bolts bring me no up-side. Not a criticism so much as feedback for the manufacturer to consider.
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Re: Anchor Wars

Honestly, I think you guys are being a little obstinate. The video seemed like a fair comparison to me in terms of what was being shown. Was it "scientific"? No...it's a dude on a beach in shorts dragging anchors around on a short line for crying out loud. But you can't deny that for those conditions shown, the Mantus was pretty consistent in setting where the others weren't.

Mantus - a word of advice, you'll never win if you go down this road.
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