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Re: overwhelmed w/ electrical

Here is an example of what I did last year when I rewired my boat. The original C&C wiring was a mess. Not enough breakers and all sorts of crap behind the panel....looked like the medussa ( I have to admit I contributed some over the years).

I completely cut out the previous C&C panels and was able to purchase a Bluesea one years ago when Boaters World went out of business for $200 ( They cost a 4X that now) as I knew I would eventually have to do this as a project. So keep your eyes out for the future.

I like Tempest wanted to make it easily accessable, so not only is the piece of teak which I fabricated able to fold down, so is the panel itself for easy access. I hinged not only the teak panel, but also the Bluesea panel with a bolt with a cabinet screw knob to remove for quickly opening it

I slowly over last winter methodically traced and pulled new wires through the conduits on the boat. Sometimes I could do a direct end to end pull through, but I had to do many individually like the 110AC outlets etc. I also redid all the stuff from the battery to getting a Victron replacing the old Xantrex ( Mainesails instructions helped me there) . I also started woking on another part of my project this winter by using another piece of teak and placing the Stero/ Ipod center and Glomax TV high gain antaneea control on it. I havent finished this yet and the trim around the stereo as well as the joining piece between the new teak panels still neeeds to be finished. Also my inverter needs to be placed on the new Teak board. Lastly I installed a new mastervolt 3 stage charger. Here are a couple of pictures of the mostly completed project,.



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Re: overwhelmed w/ electrical

Very nice! Now that is a top shelf project in time and trouble. Big points for taking it on, and extra points for doing it well. On Aeolus, nothing quite reassures me like improving electrical systems. Diesel is a close second. These because they are life and deal breakers when things go bad.

Would be interesting, if we haven't already done it, to get a thread or poll on what systems sailors worry about most, or find the most satisfaction in fixing. You'd have to distinguish cruisers from racers, but otherwise there should be a lot of common ground.
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Re: overwhelmed w/ electrical

ok, so right off the bat, i read the 12 volt bible. Pretty quick, but having expirecnce in plumbing, everything sorta clicks, path of lowest resistence. For you seniors, don't over analayze what i just said, it makes sense in my head!!! So i had already gutted the batteries, along with the diesel engine. the engine (Volvo Penta MD7A) had litteraly rusted away. Here are my two questions:
1: The ground was to the engine, since that is gone for now, where can safely put it?

2: Since the boat is on the hard, do i need a grounding rod?

I'm going to be plugging away at some carpentry that needs to get done in the mean time, just came up to the house to plug this in...thanks again

ps, i've tried uploading photos through the advanced tab, it keeps saying upload failed...
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Re: overwhelmed w/ electrical

Haven't read through all the advice, but if you use the double crimp tool(one that crimps the bare wire and also the insulation in one motion) make sure you insert the tool in the proper direction.
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Re: overwhelmed w/ electrical

I think I mentioned earlier, that you can use site like photobucket to copy your pictures to here.

I've never been able to get photos to load directly on this site from my laptop, even though, I've properly sized them..

To your question.. If the batteries and engine are gone..what exactly are you trying to ground at this time? Are you talking an AC vs. DC electrical system ? Or; Are you talking about lightening protection?

Sorry, I'm a senior and a little slow on the uptake..
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Re: overwhelmed w/ electrical

i'm going to put in the battery from my trolling motor for the time being, to start checking wiring.

What i'm doing right now is stripping all the systems that are getting junked and replaced, to make the mapping and visual a little easier for me.
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ok, so right off the bat, i read the 12 volt bible. Pretty quick, but having expirecnce in plumbing, everything sorta clicks, path of lowest resistence. For you seniors, don't over analayze what i just said, it makes sense in my head!!! So i had already gutted the batteries, along with the diesel engine. the engine (Volvo Penta MD7A) had litteraly rusted away. Here are my two questions:
1: The ground was to the engine, since that is gone for now, where can safely put it?

2: Since the boat is on the hard, do i need a grounding rod?

I'm going to be plugging away at some carpentry that needs to get done in the mean time, just came up to the house to plug this in...thanks again

ps, i've tried uploading photos through the advanced tab, it keeps saying upload failed...
Set up a photobucket account...easier to copy and paste from there I have found.

When you are doing cabinetry if you are doing it areas you need to do electrical runs put in a conduit to make it easier while you are doing the cabinetry
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Re: overwhelmed w/ electrical

conduit in the cabintery....wicked awesome idea
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Re: overwhelmed w/ electrical

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Here are my two questions:
1: The ground was to the engine, since that is gone for now, where can safely put it?

2: Since the boat is on the hard, do i need a grounding rod?

I'm going to be plugging away at some carpentry that needs to get done in the mean time, just came up to the house to plug this in...thanks again

ps, i've tried uploading photos through the advanced tab, it keeps saying upload failed...
The DC negative that previously ended at the engine block just ends at the battery negative post.

Any AC should be 3 wire, one of which is a ground.

As far as pics I resize using Irfanview ( freeware, google it) or Photoshop.
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Re: overwhelmed w/ electrical

In response to the people that are saying "Throw everything away and start over." It's certainly an option and there is nothing wrong with it, with that said not all of us want to create a showpiece. I myself want to go sailing and do what's needed to make that happen without being trapped at the dock.

When I was redoing my wiring last year I made a diagram first and I identified Mission Critical vs Convenience runs. Navigation lights got the full remove/replace treatment up front, the reading light in the V-berth got checked out with a meter and visual inspect, if it passed I ignored it. I carried on like that until I was satisfied that all the required components were rock solid then I went sailing. If someday I have to leave the berth to finish a critical page in my book I'll address that when it happens.
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