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Re: Opinions and thoughts on purchase

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You would have some time in 70 degs, but not much at 50 degs. I would say a handheld vhf is probably good to 3 miles max and not strong at that. In your scenario, you're transmitting from precisely sea level.

Your plan to stay out of the water by using a good tether setup is good. Be sure they are positioned, so you wouldn't just hang over the side. You want them to prevent going over the side.

Then, think about what you need to stay alive, if you do. A life raft is highly desirable in cold water. A MOM 9 could save your life, but someone needs to still be aboard to deploy it. Seems like you are planning for the potential to be overboard while singlehanding?


Probably longer than you think at 50 degrees. The key is wearing a PFD. B/c your arms and legs WILL become useless very quickly. If you have no means of support you will drown. The old rule of thumb (50 year old man, 50 minutes in 50 degree water) is not accurate. You can survive much longer.

But I prefer the STAY ON THE BOAT method above all else!
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Re: Opinions and thoughts on purchase

When you spend the day at Safety at Sea during the air sea rescue section the CG pilot training you is going to tell the PLB or whatever you have is ONLY going to get them in the general area

Then there fastest rescues happen with the AID of a DSC handheld because your just a tiny MOVING spec in a general location
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Re: Opinions and thoughts on purchase

I'd second Flybynight. Concentrate on staying on the boat.
You'll have plenty of use for a handheld VHF, though. And maybe spring for a good GPS, to use for navigating etc, rather than in an overboard situation.
When you go offshore, nobody's going to be around to save you, anyway.
You can make a good tether from Amsteel Blue if you have proper hardware and make the splice properly, and be able to afford a lot more of them, and have money left towards the latest Garman handheld GPS.
Also, don't forget jacklines. Amsteel blue is good for those to, though there are lots of opinions about them. Read what Brion Toss says about them on his website's BBS.
(I have no connection with Amsteel [except that it connects me to my boat])
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Probably longer than you think at 50 degrees. The key is wearing a PFD. B/c your arms and legs WILL become useless very quickly. If you have no means of support you will drown. The old rule of thumb (50 year old man, 50 minutes in 50 degree water) is not accurate. You can survive much longer.

But I prefer the STAY ON THE BOAT method above all else!
Loss of mobility or consciousness would probably take an hour. Death closer to 2 or 3 hours, depending on stress level and physical condition. Ironically, this is one time you would be happy with some extra Floatation Assistance Tissue.

How long do you think it will take for someone to come find you and get you out of the water? That is probably much longer than one would think.
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Yes. Your VHF is your first line of communication. But when your hand held is out of range but you still get a cell phone signal I think it might be worth it to make the call.

I will add from personal experience, the USCG will ask you, via VHF, if you have a cell phone and if so, what is your number. They may also prefer to communicate with you on your cell phone as it will free up VHF channels.

In the summer of 2011 I was involved in an emergency situation (my boat began taking on water) and did most of my communication over the cell phone while the USCG used VHF to communicate with it's own vessels and send out notifications to other mariners of my situation.

In the summer of 2008 I was involved in assisting a vessel in distress as the reporting vessel (power boat, at night, adrift, no VHF, no phone, taking on water, luckily I noticed their flares). After my initial contact via VHF the USCG preferred to communicate with me via my cell phone.
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You must have been within 3 miles of the coast. I have taken the trip up the Jersey coast numerous times and had no signal for sustained periods 5 miles offshore. Cell phone are not a reliable means here, For what its worth I would have a PLB as well as VHF and cell phone. The PLB is absolutely waterproof itself and doesnt depend on waterproof packaging.

Also Lost signal from Montauk to Block as well as Mystic to Block last year

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On small craft I am not impressed by jack lines, as they allow for excesive stretch Jack lines make for tripers and tend to roll under foot . I have installed solid rings and use a double ended tethers instead. I know I can't fall over the side and still can move anywhere on deck............Dale
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Interestingly though, all of the the tether breakage stories I have found were sailors hooked to a pad eye, not a jackline. That is because with no stretch, a sailor moving at 8-10 knots (not unrealistic in a knock down or wave strike) will generate forces over 5000 pounds, because tethers don't stretch. Either the hardware or the sailor breaks (sometimes both).
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Use 4 anchor points in the cockpit, jacklines and lots of tethers.
Do you have pictures?
Let me see if I have this right.
Instead of your own tether that you clip and unclip to padeys, and jacklines as you move about the the boat you have multiple tethers already clipped to jacklines and padeyes and move from station to station by moving between tethers?

What if you have someone forward and he needs help?
I'm assuming the second person has to bring a tether with them as is typical in this case?

What is the advantage of this system to just have a two leg tether?
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Do you have pictures?
Let me see if I have this right.
Instead of your own tether that you clip and unclip to padeys, and jacklines as you move about the the boat you have multiple tethers already clipped to jacklines and padeyes and move from station to station by moving between tethers?
Tethers are clipped to padeyes and jacklines

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What if you have someone forward and he needs help?
I'm assuming the second person has to bring a tether with them as is typical in this case?
I have two tethers on each jackline. If we need more forward we can fall back on the tethers that are not in use to move forward.

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What is the advantage of this system to just have a two leg tether?
The biggest advantage is switching sides through the cockpit. On some race boats that use individual tethers, I have to unhook to to get to the jackline on the other side. In the middle of a tack, I am uncomfortable doing that.
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Rob,

You must have been within 3 miles of the coast. I have taken the trip up the Jersey coast numerous times and had no signal for sustained periods 5 miles offshore. Cell phone are not a reliable means here, For what its worth I would have a PLB as well as VHF and cell phone. The PLB is absolutely waterproof itself and doesnt depend on waterproof packaging.

Also Lost signal from Montauk to Block as well as Mystic to Block last year

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I currently use ATT. Maximum range for GSM is about 20 miles, or line of site. CDMA has an even longer range, I think, but I'm no expert on any of this.

It's possible I lost signal off the Jersey coast, but wasn't paying attention to my phone.

I sail to Block Island from Mystic several times a summer and have not lost signal in years. Hell, a buddy and I are known for sailing over, having lunch and a beer and sailing back. My iphone plugged into my stereo, listening to Pandora radio all the way.

I used to get charged roaming (back when they charged for it) from my dock in Mystic as my phone would pick up towers on Long Island. I would have to call Verizon every month to dispute the charges. Some dipstick on the other end would argue with me every time say that I MUST have been in NY!

Montauk to Block I can't vouch for as I don't normally go that way but I can see how it could happen.

Anyway, many of us stay within cell phone range for a high percentage of our sailing time. Many of us also have a device that is a chart plotter, GPS, compass and phone that we have in our pocket much of the time. It's worth several hundred dollars and we spend as much of our time as possible just a few feet from water over 6 feet deep. My point is that you might as well invest in a water proof case.

And again, I'm not saying a cell phone is a replacement for a VHF. Just a happy addition to the family.
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