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Re: Frozen rudder shaft Hinterhoeller 28

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Here is a shaft picture.
Only part of it would like to see the whole length.

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Also, if I glass in a new tube how is the top sealed? Ending at the quadrant would have it open above the water line so can it be open or am I needing to plan for a new stuffing box as well?
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And with a new tube what actually holds the rudder up? The only thru-shaft would be the quadrant bolt. Originally there was a collar type piece with two allen headed screws one on each side that rode about the orig stuffing box and I assume functioned as a vertical hold on the shaft.
Time to look at the whole system with new eyes - looking for improvements that can be incorporated into the existing stuff.

From the pictures in one of your early posts it looks like you have a top bearing?
It seems a little bit strange there are no trust bearing there...
Maybe you could modify it so you get a system to keep the rudder up, such a bearing only need to hold the weight of the rudder - the rudder is even lighter with the boat on the water,

Using the rudder quadrant, (made in aluminium?) riding on the brass in the stuffing box sitting on top of a SS tube seems to be a recipe for corrosion.
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Re: Frozen rudder shaft Hinterhoeller 28

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I have not determined the make-up of the rudder but my best guess at present is it is aluminum. So I think the guess at aluminum oxide is probably a good one. But I was surprised at how gooped up it was in there. I would say a full 4" of the tube all the way around at 3/8" deep was that junk.

In terms of height above water line, my measurements show a max of about 4" above water line for new tube. Any higher and I am running into the quadrant. My concerns are things like heeling and how that might impact.
It's amazing how much aluminium oxide expands - it's damn near like pour in place foam.

Your rudder tube is WAY too short to use my advice - my Col. 43 was 4 FEET above the W/L. You'll definitely have to have a stuffing box or seal of some sort.
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Re: Frozen rudder shaft Hinterhoeller 28

my Oday has a tube that is well above the water line and no bearings, just the tube is greased full length. .

some where out there the are nylon stuffing boxes.
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Hmmm check this! (no affiliation ) Tides Marine
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Hmmm check this! (no affiliation ) Tides Marine
Yes!!

Have a look at the "Upper Rudder Bearings - *" and "Rudder Collars", read the pdf's (It says motorboats on the Rudder Collars - but this should work equally fine on a sailboat).

They also have other rudder system components.

You should make a complete inventory of the parts in your steering system, dimensions and state, start planning from there.
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Re: Frozen rudder shaft Hinterhoeller 28

Denise... I have checked the link and written to them. Their rudder seal looks like it would be both safe/strong and do-able. Thanks for the link! If I can preserve my original rudder tube and get hose connection going between the rudder tube (they refer to it as a port) and their seal it would seem to work quite well.
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Re: Frozen rudder shaft Hinterhoeller 28

The attached pic taken from their PDF looks just like my setup. My only question is rudder shaft OD. I am 1 7/8" and their closest listed size is 1 3/4". We shall see what they say.
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The attached pic taken from their PDF looks just like my setup. My only question is rudder shaft OD. I am 1 7/8" and their closest listed size is 1 3/4". We shall see what they say.
Probably easier to increase the shaft OD than reducing.
If you can find or get made a sleeve with the correct OD you can fix it to the shaft with epoxy.

The procedure is explained here Converting from plain bearings to roller bearings
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Probably easier to increase the shaft OD than reducing.
If you can find or get made a sleeve with the correct OD you can fix it to the shaft with epoxy.
True.... however that would make any subsequent attempt at removal more of a challenge.
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True.... however that would make any subsequent attempt at removal more of a challenge.
Why, If I understand this correct we are looking at replacing the rudder tube.

As long as the sleeved rudder shaft fits in the bearings and the tube ID is larger the the sleeved OD I cant see any problem.

Would do the sleeving with the rudder off the boat, before putting it all together.
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