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Reversable winches?

We recently took a test sail in an Albin Ballad. We didn't buy it because we are used to a more nimble boat. But one interesting fact about it was the winches. They operated backwards from any other winch I've used in the past. They were two-speed self-tailers and in first gear they rotated counter clockwise then clockwise in second gear. I use 'first' and 'second' to describe the sequence. 'Second' is the gear with extra power.

For a while I just thought it a bit odd but I've begun to wonder if it's possible to move the gears around inside a winch and reverse its direction. (I think these were Barients, which aren't made anymore, but I've had Barients in the past and I'm pretty sure they worked in the way I'm used to.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Reversable winches?

You mean the actual winch turned both ways, or the handle turned both ways but the winch still turned the same direction? If the latter, then that's what a 2 speed winch does.
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Re: Reversable winches?

i understand what your saying. I don't believe this is possible because the cogs that catch only operate in one direction.

You can buy the new fancy electric Rewind Radial Electric Winch Q & A

They are working on winches that will auto tack your headsail that should be out in the next year or so.
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Re: Reversable winches?

sorry, the harken rewind winches weblink didn't take for some reason
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Re: Reversable winches?

Rewind Radial Electric Winch Q & A

See if this works. I'm still a rookie at this
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Re: Reversable winches?

Harry welcome to sailnet, where knowledgable serious minded sailors are always willing to contribute.
Oh, as far as the direction that winch goes, must have been installed
down under fully explaining their odd operation!!!
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Re: Reversable winches?

This explains everything!

I could never figure out why the port side winch spins in the opposite direction to the starboard winch. It most be Australian!!
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Re: Reversable winches?

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We recently took a test sail in an Albin Ballad. We didn't buy it because we are used to a more nimble boat. But one interesting fact about it was the winches. They operated backwards from any other winch I've used in the past. They were two-speed self-tailers and in first gear they rotated counter clockwise then clockwise in second gear. I use 'first' and 'second' to describe the sequence. 'Second' is the gear with extra power.

For a while I just thought it a bit odd but I've begun to wonder if it's possible to move the gears around inside a winch and reverse its direction. (I think these were Barients, which aren't made anymore, but I've had Barients in the past and I'm pretty sure they worked in the way I'm used to.

Any thoughts? Dick
I've had lot's of Barients over the years and none of them worked like that - high gear was clockwise and second gear (lower) counterclockwise, third gear on 3 speeds was clockwise again.

A friends fairly recent 2 speed Lewmars work like you describe - high gear counterclockwise and low gear clockwise.

I don't like it, it's counter-intuitive.
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Re: Reversable winches?

It's not only counter intuitive, it makes you use your right arm in a backhand direction right when you need your greatest strength. On the other hand, (left hand that would be) it's probably great if you're left-handed. My wife is left handed but she's not the winch ape. That's what got me started wondering if they were reversable. I guess it would have to involve the pawls, not just the gears. I asked a professional rigger in Kemah about it and he'd never heard of it. I may have to call Lewmar and ask them.

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Re: Reversable winches?

Ya probly needs a anti clockwise winch handle!
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