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Greetings all:

Going to all-rope halyards (Main and 2 Genoa halyards - all internal). The old wire halyards must go!
I am limited to 3/8" (10mm) size, due to size constraints at the masthead sheave box (and rope clutches, and winch self-tailer size - you know the drill). I plan on installing new 3" Harken ball bearing sheaves at the masthead (yeah - Ouch, but they fit perfectly!) to replace the existing wire-halyard sheaves.

The question is this: What do you recommend for a low-stretch (better than StaSet X) line in 3/8" diameter? I am a cruiser, so ultra high-tech line and fancy splices are out (too expensive). The boat is a 40 foot full keel sloop, so the load will be a factor. I'm considering Samson "Warpspeed" and NE Ropes T-900 - any suggestions for rope and where to buy it????
Thanks in advance!
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If the sheaves arein good shape save your money. Try Defender.com. Pyacht is having a Harken sale.
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Try the rigging shop at Annapolis Performance Sailing - APS - they are very good at communicating with you and making sure you get what you really need. Splicing charges are quite reasonable too. I asked this same question a few months back and thats how I found out about APS myself.

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Greetings all:

Going to all-rope halyards (Main and 2 Genoa halyards - all internal). The old wire halyards must go!
I am limited to 3/8" (10mm) size, due to size constraints at the masthead sheave box (and rope clutches, and winch self-tailer size - you know the drill). I plan on installing new 3" Harken ball bearing sheaves at the masthead (yeah - Ouch, but they fit perfectly!) to replace the existing wire-halyard sheaves.

The question is this: What do you recommend for a low-stretch (better than StaSet X) line in 3/8" diameter? I am a cruiser, so ultra high-tech line and fancy splices are out (too expensive). The boat is a 40 foot full keel sloop, so the load will be a factor. I'm considering Samson "Warpspeed" and NE Ropes T-900 - any suggestions for rope and where to buy it????
Thanks in advance!
We have had excellent service from West Marine's T-900 for all of our Halyards. Wouldn't use anything else and it really isn't all that expensive, all things considered.

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Re: Rope Halyards - What brand / type do you recommend?

Bellatrix:

Within the New England Ropes offerings, VPC would be your next step up from Sta Set X.


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Re: Rope Halyards - What brand / type do you recommend?

I've had good luck with Defender. Good prices, fast shipping, and good rigging/splicing service. They carry Samson Warpspeed. At a lower cost (but with a bit higher stretch) they carry Samson XLS Extra and MLX which both have a polyester braid cover with a Dyneema blend core.
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FWIW - the VPC was the Practical Sailor favorite of the "mid-range" candidates a few years back:

http://nasailor.com/2010/11/05/practical-sailor-tests-26-samples-of-rigging

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Greetings all:

Going to all-rope halyards (Main and 2 Genoa halyards - all internal). The old wire halyards must go!
I am limited to 3/8" (10mm) size, due to size constraints at the masthead sheave box (and rope clutches, and winch self-tailer size - you know the drill). I plan on installing new 3" Harken ball bearing sheaves at the masthead (yeah - Ouch, but they fit perfectly!) to replace the existing wire-halyard sheaves.

The question is this: What do you recommend for a low-stretch (better than StaSet X) line in 3/8" diameter? I am a cruiser, so ultra high-tech line and fancy splices are out (too expensive). The boat is a 40 foot full keel sloop, so the load will be a factor. I'm considering Samson "Warpspeed" and NE Ropes T-900 - any suggestions for rope and where to buy it????
Thanks in advance!
First I don't know what you mean by "fancy splices"
Both the ropes you mention is of a core dependant construction so they need a core-to-core splice the warpspeed (at least) can be used with a uncovered splice which is (relatively) easy to do.

Knots in these ropes is not a good idea - read "How to terminate the working end of the halyards – splices vs knots" by Brion Toss Here: Brion Toss Yacht Riggers, Sailboat Rigging

Can't help you with regard to where to buy/prices.. I'm too far away

But just for fun I compared the two types you mentioned plus one more.
Warpspeed is the best rope

Assumining halyard lenght with sail hoisted, halyard load 1500 lb.

The calculations (haven figured out how to make nice tables here
Rope BL (lb) % BL EE Stretch (in)
Warpspeed 3/8 9800 15 % 0,55 % 3,3
T-900 5/16 6800 22 % 1,20 % 7,2
T-900 7/6 14300 10 % 0,75 % 4,5
VPC 6500 23 % 1,80 % 10,8
7x19 1/4 SS wire 6400 3.7

Rope Stretch (in)
Warpspeed 3/8 3,3
T-900 5/16 7,2
T-900 7/6 4,5
VPC 10,8

The raw data here.
Sampsone rope, warpspeed
Link Product
Double braid with Dyneema core
Splice Core-to-Core

3/8 BL lb 9800

ELASTIC ELONGATION at % of BL
10% 20% 30%
0.44% 0.62% 0.79%

New England Ropes, T-900
Link http://www.neropes.com/Datasheets/MAR_T900.pdf
Double braid with dyneema/Technora blend core
Splice Core-to-Core

Not available in 3/8?
5/16 BL 6800 lb
7/6 BL 14300 lb

ELASTIC ELONGATION at % of BL
10% 20% 30%
0.75% 1.2% 1,4%

New England Ropes, VPC
Link http://www.neropes.com/Datasheets/MAR_VPC.pdf
Double braid with Vectrann core
Splice Core-to-Core
3/8 BL 6500lb

ELASTIC ELONGATION at % of BL
10% 20% 30%
1.2% 1.8% 2,2%
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Re: Rope Halyards - What brand / type do you recommend?

I was faced w/ the same issue and went w/ VPC. Did my own core/core splices and will hang the halyards this spring. I was able to drop a size (3/8" v 7/16") and have very little stretch. Price is fairly reasonable too. I doubt you need the hightech stuff.

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Sampsone rope, warpspeed
Link Product
Double braid with Dyneema core
Splice Core-to-Core

3/8 BL lb 9800

ELASTIC ELONGATION at % of BL
10% 20% 30%
0.44% 0.62% 0.79%

New England Ropes, T-900
Link http://www.neropes.com/Datasheets/MAR_T900.pdf
Double braid with dyneema/Technora blend core
Splice Core-to-Core

Not available in 3/8?
5/16 BL 6800 lb
7/6 BL 14300 lb

ELASTIC ELONGATION at % of BL
10% 20% 30%
0.75% 1.2% 1,4%

New England Ropes, VPC
Link http://www.neropes.com/Datasheets/MAR_VPC.pdf
Double braid with Vectrann core
Splice Core-to-Core
3/8 BL 6500lb

ELASTIC ELONGATION at % of BL
10% 20% 30%
1.2% 1.8% 2,2%
Here are the defender prices for 3/8:

Warpspeed: $2.87
T-900: $2.50 (defender does not sell, this is the Vela price)
VPC: $1.34

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