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Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

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the shackle/splice issue is to attach the rope halyard to the wire halyard.. not the sail/s. Existing rig has/had snap shackles and HB shackle for attachment to head/s. Simply looking for advice on easy; but semi-permanent attachment of control lines.


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Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

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I am slowly switching to soft shackles on my halyards as I get rid of the wire. They are easy to make and work great. Highly recommend them. I love the new cordage. This spring I will switch my lifelines to dyneema or amsteel.
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Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

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as clarification.....
the shackle/splice issue is to attach the rope halyard to the wire halyard.. not the sail/s. Existing rig has/had snap shackles and HB shackle for attachment to head/s. Simply looking for advice on easy; but semi-permanent attachment of control lines.


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Why not go to all rope halyards? There is no good reason for wire halyards on a 27' boat - they are a leftover from the days when wire stretched less than rope.
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Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

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Why not go to all rope halyards? There is no good reason for wire halyards on a 27' boat - they are a leftover from the days when wire stretched less than rope.
I'm in the same boat (heh) as the OP. If I were to switch to an all-rope halyard on my Cal 2-27, wouldn't I have to change the sheaves as well?

EDIT: Already been covered in other threads! (Short answer: probably.)

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Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

No good reason???!!!!!!!
I take this to mean that there are alternatives today that didn't exist 30-some years ago.
Sure! I *could* spend untold dollars to change out a perfectly good system simply to update to new standards...but why?
I really do appreciate all the input; but throwing money at every issue is not an answer that I'm prepared to consider. I'm attempting to get on the water at the least possible (safe) price point. Other than replacing poor condition running rigging, [at this point in time] it seems everything else is in good shape. While I'd like..and may eventually end up replacing items, to upgrade and improve sailability, adding umptey-ump dollars worth of unnecessary goods and labor to an inexpensive boat would be foolish, as well as financially imprudent.
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Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

Delta,

There absolutely are options today that didn't exist 30 years ago. Heck there are options that didn't exist five years ago.

To buy a wire to rope halyard with modern synthetics is both more expensive o. The front end, and more expensive life cycle cost than using modern line. And for the extra money the wire halyard gets you nothing beneficial. They are heavier, meat hook, rust, and have more stretch than dyneema will. All for a price premium.

Which is why no rigger I know even makes them any more. Sure there are probably a couple of shops that will, but for the most part it is a dead technology.
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There absolutely are options today that didn't exist 30 years ago. Heck there are options that didn't exist five years ago...
I think what he meant was, just because there are new options available doesn't mean you have to replace the currently installed system that already works. I'm completely in tune with that sentiment.

That said, I discovered a meat hook on my main halyard, and that's why I'm considering a switch to a different system (all-rope,) given that I have to replace the halyard anyway. I also like the idea of just tying the halyard to the main, rather than using a shackle at all.
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Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

Generally, I think that if the new all rope halyard will actually fit over the sheave cleanly then there's no real need to worry about it, as long the the sheave is healthy and not binding.

Rope halyards tend to be very 'oversized' for the load, simply to make it easier to hold and handle them. Small wire-only sheaves usually won't accommodate the extra diameter. This occurs mostly on smaller boats that had wire/rope halyards connected by shackle and eye spice, where the rope section was never intended to go over the sheave.

If you currently have rope/wire spliced halyards, going to all rope should be no issue...
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Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

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I'm in the same boat (heh) as the OP. If I were to switch to an all-rope halyard on my Cal 2-27, wouldn't I have to change the sheaves as well?
Maybe if the sheaves are for wire only. If they are for wire and rope they will have a groove for the wire as well as the normal curve for rope. Condition is an issue as well of course. After having wire running over them for several decades they may require replacement whether you are going to all rope or not.

If you want to get traditional wire/rope halyards properly spliced they are available. Splicing is the way to transition from rope to wire - spliced to a wire eye is a bit of a hack job really. Not real common unless the boat is quite large though. See this link:
Wilson Yates and Yates Custom Rigging
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Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

Stumble;

The sail-end of the halyards is existing wire. All I need to do is attach new working/handling-end sheets. I priced the wire-to-rope replacement kits and all seem to run near to $120. Depending on type/brand...to replace wire with amsteel or dyneema and some other sort for the working end... stayset-x or VPC; I'd end up near the same..possibly a little cheaper

This is assuming that my head sheaves would run the synthetic without changing them out. For now, I plan on the handling-end change to a grade/type of line that , in the future, *may* be spliced to a synthetic. But that's all down the road
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