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deltaten 03-03-2013 01:40 PM

recommendations for halyard attachment??
 
I will be fitting new halyards to the W27 soon. Still not sure of mfgr or final size/type; but it's the attachment that wonders me.

Originals were 7/16 (?) double-braid, eye-spliced directly to the thimbled wire eye. I most certainly could go w/smaller dia. line, given newer loading specs on modern cordage.. would I want to?
Now, I can visualize sitting on the deck, splicing a line on; but why not use some sort of mechanical device; ie: snap hook, link or clip?

I *could* buy new halyards with a shackle already spliced on them; or conversely, do it myself in the comfort of my armchair or cabin. Would it be bad form to attach to the existing eye with a HB shackle?

Removeability option is open, due to the belief that I *may* wish to change out lines for some sort of utility use/reason.
Please recall that this is a limited budget production ;) While I may eye the Dyneema. Vectran and T-900 lines; I doubt I really have need of that sort of load capability.VPC (?) would even be pushing it. seeing all the specs and sales on E-Bay causes page error flippin back and forth thru tabs! ;) ta see what's what in comparison. As thrifty as I am; I'd sooner pay a bit more to go up-scale a degree than find out the "BrandX type I got quite up to my needed specs.

TIA,
Paul

Faster 03-03-2013 01:49 PM

Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??
 
Tie them on.. using all rope, no heavy shackle flying about if you let go in a seaway, easy to shorten up or end-for-end if chafe is an issue, Bowlines if you have the vertical clearance and the knot won't interfere with the hoist, or the knot shown in the thread below if that won't work.

NO cost!!

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/genera...yard-knot.html

AE28 03-03-2013 02:58 PM

Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??
 
Faster…
I used the link you provided.
It looks like a figure-of-eight in the end of the halyard and then a single half-hitch on the headboard.
Is that all of it?
Thanks,
Paul

Stumble 03-03-2013 04:36 PM

Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??
 
Well... My first thought would be one of our titanium D shackles... :D

For something stronger, lighter, and less money... Take a look at making up some soft shackles from short pieces of dyneema. Soft Shackles

Faster 03-03-2013 08:02 PM

Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AE28 (Post 997818)
Fasterů
I used the link you provided.
It looks like a figure-of-eight in the end of the halyard and then a single half-hitch on the headboard.
Is that all of it?
Thanks,
Paul

That's all of it. I like to leave the stopper with a couple of inches between it and the bight of the half hitch.. it avoids stressing/loading the stopper and makes things easier to untie. The halfhitch bight on the headboard takes the load, much like the turn of a bowline takes the load on that knot. I've never had difficulty untying that knot even after a hard days' sailing. I have had the stopper slide up to the headboard after a couple of reef/unreefs, but it's there primarily to prevent the half hitch from sliding free.

We've been using that knot for decades..

deltaten 03-03-2013 08:10 PM

Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??
 
I kinda like the simple approach Faster ;) As long as the bend doesn;t harm the line; I see noreasont to not use that hitch for halyards.
Interesting concept, those soft shackles. When I make my line purchase, I'll try t get a couple feet of Amsteel ta go with it. Then I can play with it at my leisure. Thanks for the tip, Stumble :D

genieskip 03-03-2013 08:13 PM

Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??
 
I am slowly switching to soft shackles on my halyards as I get rid of the wire. They are easy to make and work great. Highly recommend them. I love the new cordage. This spring I will switch my lifelines to dyneema or amsteel.

pdqaltair 03-03-2013 08:21 PM

Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??
 
Halyard knot. By the time you need to remove it, cut it off, which also moves the chafe point 6 inches.

The only reason for a shackle is if you remove the sail each time you sail.

zz4gta 03-04-2013 09:36 AM

Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??
 
deltaten,
VPC from new england ropes makes great mid level halyards. Low stretch and not too pricey. You can use 5/16" at $1.00/ft for your 27 footer. Just shoot me an email. See sig.

I also make soft shackles in whatever size you need.

Edit: had to remove my sig due to the advertising policies of the site. I'm looking into sponsored advertising now.

bwindrope 03-05-2013 12:12 AM

Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??
 
Quote:

The only reason for a shackle is if you remove the sail each time you sail.
Well, the main reason I use a shackle is because I remove the halyard from the sail once it is down so that I can attach the halyard to a deck fitting on my pilothouse to avoid it banging on the mast. I'm one of those people who absolutely detests lines banging on a mast. I could do what Faster does and tie and untie the knot in both places, but the shackle is easier with no significant drawbacks in my experience. So I tied my new halyard onto my shackle with a buntline hitch, knowing it will tighten down and not come off, because I will not need to take it off until I may wish to swap ends of the line down the road.


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