Canadians: Station License or not? - Page 2 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Gear & Maintenance
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree2Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #11  
Old 03-25-2013
jackdale's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 8,861
Thanks: 26
Thanked 37 Times in 34 Posts
Rep Power: 6
jackdale will become famous soon enough
Your Canadian ROC is sufficient.

Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk 2
__________________
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #12  
Old 03-25-2013
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 29
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
doogymon is on a distinguished road
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Ok.. we have US Coasties asking for Callsigns here in a shared part of the Great Lakes.
Some boats have been sent back to Canadian Waters because they too believed that it was all folklore. There was no concern about Station Licences on pleasure craft before September 11 2001 and a proposal to make an reciprocal exemption was xnayed. With a callsign, the feds have something to go on when a vessel enters their territory. Make sense?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #13  
Old 03-26-2013
Ritchard's Avatar
No more curry buffets
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 381
Thanks: 2
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 4
Ritchard is on a distinguished road
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
Your Canadian ROC is sufficient.

Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk 2
Respectfully, you appear to be contradicting yourself. Your message above quotes the regs that say that if you operate only in Sovereign Canadian waters your ROC is equivalent. If you go to the US, you are not operating in those Cdn waters, and therefore require a station license.
__________________
Bashing about on Lake Ontario and Beyond
"Ariel" '79 Endeavour 32
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #14  
Old 03-26-2013
Ritchard's Avatar
No more curry buffets
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 381
Thanks: 2
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 4
Ritchard is on a distinguished road
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by doogymon View Post
Ok.. we have US Coasties asking for Callsigns here in a shared part of the Great Lakes.
Some boats have been sent back to Canadian Waters because they too believed that it was all folklore. There was no concern about Station Licences on pleasure craft before September 11 2001 and a proposal to make an reciprocal exemption was xnayed. With a callsign, the feds have something to go on when a vessel enters their territory. Make sense?
Doogy,

What is the particular "shared" part of the Great Lakes you refer to?
__________________
Bashing about on Lake Ontario and Beyond
"Ariel" '79 Endeavour 32
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #15  
Old 03-26-2013
flandria's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Beautiful Georgian Bay, Canada
Posts: 151
Thanks: 9
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 3
flandria is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Skype™ to flandria
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

OK, so much for clarity, thus far... Since I am on the Great Lakes (even if Georgian Bay is kind of tucked away and not immediately adjacent to the U.S.), I have some interest in this...

I do have the VHF operator license required in Canada. I understand from comments given that this is sufficient to operate a VHF in the U.S. Someone say true or false.

When entering the U.S., I conclude from the comments that my boat will need a Station License. True or false? Is this a license issued by U.S. authorities, or Canadian? Where to apply? Is this, like the Canadian VHF license, a one-time charge or a recurring cost? Will precise answers to these questions explain the entire issue?

When all is said and done, my strong recommendation to anyone is: comply with the rules since you may run a risk of having your vessel (if not yourself) impounded when found in breach. We should not be cavalier, given that the officials you may be dealing with will most certainly not be, either!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #16  
Old 03-26-2013
Ritchard's Avatar
No more curry buffets
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 381
Thanks: 2
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 4
Ritchard is on a distinguished road
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Flandria,

I believe it is understood that a Canadian requires a Station License to operate a boat with a radio installed in US waters. This is in addition to your Radio Operator's Cert.

Here's the Industry Canada FAQ excerpted above:

Licensing Exemptions - Spectrum Management and Telecommunications

Here's a link to the industry Canada site where you apply for the license:

MMSI Application Forms (Annexes) - Spectrum Direct

I am still trying to determine if it is worth the risk to go across the line spray painted on the surface of Lake Ontario without said license.
__________________
Bashing about on Lake Ontario and Beyond
"Ariel" '79 Endeavour 32

Last edited by Ritchard; 03-26-2013 at 09:24 AM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #17  
Old 03-26-2013
jackdale's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 8,861
Thanks: 26
Thanked 37 Times in 34 Posts
Rep Power: 6
jackdale will become famous soon enough
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritchard View Post
Respectfully, you appear to be contradicting yourself. Your message above quotes the regs that say that if you operate only in Sovereign Canadian waters your ROC is equivalent. If you go to the US, you are not operating in those Cdn waters, and therefore require a station license.
I was answering a specific question about ROC(M)s.

Your Canadian ROC(M) is sufficient as an operator certificate. You do not require, nor is there an international operator's certificate. The Canadian station license is required in in international waters and your need an ROC(M) is get one.
__________________
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #18  
Old 03-26-2013
jackdale's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 8,861
Thanks: 26
Thanked 37 Times in 34 Posts
Rep Power: 6
jackdale will become famous soon enough
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by flandria View Post

I do have the VHF operator license required in Canada. I understand from comments given that this is sufficient to operate a VHF in the U.S. Someone say true or false.
True

Quote:

When entering the U.S., I conclude from the comments that my boat will need a Station License. True or false? Is this a license issued by U.S. authorities, or Canadian? Where to apply? Is this, like the Canadian VHF license, a one-time charge or a recurring cost? Will precise answers to these questions explain the entire issue?
True and there is annual fee.

Quote:


When all is said and done, my strong recommendation to anyone is: comply with the rules since you may run a risk of having your vessel (if not yourself) impounded when found in breach. We should not be cavalier, given that the officials you may be dealing with will most certainly not be, either!
True
__________________
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #19  
Old 03-26-2013
jimq26's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 85
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 13
jimq26 is on a distinguished road
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Thank you Jackdale.

Someone who knows has answered your question.

Don't even think of operating your VHF without proper paperwork in place.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #20  
Old 03-26-2013
Ritchard's Avatar
No more curry buffets
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 381
Thanks: 2
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 4
Ritchard is on a distinguished road
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Forgive me, but I believe Jackdale is once again in error about the first part of the question above.

flandria asks:

"I do have the VHF operator license required in Canada. I understand from comments given that this is sufficient to operate a VHF in the U.S. Someone say true or false."

Jackdale responds true. It is not. To operate the radio (or even operate your boat with a radio affixed) in the US, you need a Canada issued Station License.

The next statement which contradicts the first is in fact the correct answer. Industry Canada issues the license - see my link above. This link:

IC-3020 — Application for a Maritime Mobile Radio Station Licence - Spectrum Management and Telecommunications

Is actually an easier to understand application document. It lists a pro-rated application fee depending on the month in which you apply. Which is odd, actually. The recurring fee is presently $36.
__________________
Bashing about on Lake Ontario and Beyond
"Ariel" '79 Endeavour 32
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Canadians sailing for Gaza again NewsReader News Feeds 0 11-02-2011 05:00 PM
Congratulations to the Canadians... PCP Racing 1 09-19-2011 04:17 PM
HELP! Canadians with US registered boats shabbychic General Discussion (sailing related) 24 01-04-2007 03:45 PM
Canadians cruising a US Boat rogdodger1 Boat Review and Purchase Forum 11 12-02-2006 07:14 PM
VHF Station License geohan General Discussion (sailing related) 4 07-01-2004 06:29 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:45 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.