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Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

Well, my boatyard is small and I usually get painted in mid-winter when it's slow but I've never had them say they can't do it because they've used up their paint allowance for the week. Maybe bottom paints here in CA are already lower, every other kind of finish is.
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If you look on the shelves for the coming season of new paints. most manufactures have lower VOC and non copper based paints on the market. Many are even water based. So places like Washington st where Kellysails and I are, it will not be hard with in the next 4-5 yrs or so to get bottom paint on that meets the laws. The issue will be, is many of us are now forced to also strip the bottom before then, or at least as part of a sale after the fact of having the bottom stripped of all copper based paint, even if covered with non copper paint. Which frankly is going to be a pain for many folks! At least now with homes, if you think you may have lead in the paint/asbestos somewhere, ie house is older than about 1970, you can sign a waiver to the effect it may have this issues, buyer beware!

If I am reading the wa st law tho, I can have the copper based paint on the boat, covered with non copper for as long as I own the boat, so if I own the boat for another 20-30 yrs, I will not have to strip the bottom until that time!

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Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

An even better excuse to take myself and the boat into warmer climes.
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Is there nothing that the stumble bums in this administration don't want to regulate??
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Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

Practical Sailor did a nice write up of the new paints they are testing. Some of the new non-copper paints are even doing well against fouling.

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Is there nothing that the stumble bums in this administration don't want to regulate??
It has nothing to do with the administration. The EPA took on a life of its own decades ago.

For all things like this, look to L.A. to see what the future holds.
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Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

The MD regulation allows 3.3 pounds/gallon VOC.

Pettit Ultima SR 60 contains only 2.9 pound/gallon VOC (MSDS). SR 40 is a bit lower.

I guess we have to check the products one at a time. But perhaps no gloom and doom. The local yard confirmed that this would not change their anti-fouling product line-up.

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Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

billy, "zero VOC" limits in paints and other "coatings" have been around for nearly 20 years now in many states and industries. No big surprise if someone wants to push for water-based bottom paints now too, after all, the industry has had 20 years to catch up on the new technology.

If the EPA really had any stones, they'd just ban all recreational boating, since it disturbs the marine habitat with no good reason.
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...If the EPA really had any stones, they'd just ban all recreational boating, since it disturbs the marine habitat with no good reason.
Or breathing, since it causes release of H2O vapor, the primary greenhouse gas. Just give them time... and all those billions of bullets.

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Meanwhile, while we fiddle (with EPA regs), China is putting the final economic squeeze on us. Same globe:



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The Arabs have got to be laughing at our rediculous squamishness about drilling near reindeer (especially after the mega spill in the gulf where news coverage was strictly limited, and how we look the other way regarding Venezualian gulf drilling mega spills). And the Chinese have got to be laughing at our EPA regulations. Heck if they had any brains, they'd probably help fund that viewpoint within the U.S. And then there's the Pentagon saying their number one threat is environmental.

I'm not advocating pollution -- far from it! I think they should spend their energies on the whole-scale mass destruction of our environment and leave the tiny blips alone. But what do you expect when they can get away with ignoring nuclear proliferation just by handing out a bunch of free phones to voters.

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Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

Absolutely Draconian and Bloombergian regulations. Total government nanny state intrustion. Where does it end?

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