ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner - Page 2 - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 34 Old 05-19-2013
Closet Powerboater
 
MedSailor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Anacortes PNW
Posts: 3,466
Thanks: 239
Thanked 107 Times in 97 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Re: ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner

I like the idea of running it parallel to the backstay. Wonder why I've never heard or thought of that before. Saves replacing the backstay with special insulated terminals etc.

PVC tube and zip-tie standoffs are easy enough to make and I've seen them used for the lower part of an insulated backstay terminal. Why not run it all the way up the stay like that?

Great stuff!

MedSailor

I have a sauna on my boat, therefore I win.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
MedSailor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 34 Old 05-19-2013
Senior Member
 
Cruiser2B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Va Beach
Posts: 529
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Re: ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner

Quote:
Originally Posted by MedSailor View Post
I like the idea of running it parallel to the backstay. Wonder why I've never heard or thought of that before. Saves replacing the backstay with special insulated terminals etc.

PVC tube and zip-tie standoffs are easy enough to make and I've seen them used for the lower part of an insulated backstay terminal. Why not run it all the way up the stay like that?

Great stuff!

MedSailor
I hope to have atleast 12" of separation between backstay and antenna, a little less at the top of the mast and quite a bit more toward the bottom. Right up against the back stay wouldn't work so well I don't think. Gonna run it up to the top of the mast with a spare line and block already mounted near topping lift and the off to on side of the stern rail.

I have all the piece to build the antenna, gonna try to make it resonant at 14.300 or at least as close as possible. lots of projects and so little time.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
My two lovely ladies!!
USCG 100T Near Coast Master with 100T Inland Sail Endorsement
Cruiser2B is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #13 of 34 Old 05-19-2013 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: new england
Posts: 2,109
Thanks: 42
Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner

has any one had issues with the insulated backstay? in particular breakage given the constant vaiation in loading from sailing and changing backstay tension? Do folks routinely replace the connections? Do they have a different service life than the stay itself?

s/v Hippocampus
Outbound 46
outbound is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #14 of 34 Old 05-20-2013
Senior Member
 
MikeOReilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario
Posts: 1,515
Thanks: 157
Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Re: ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner

Quote:
Originally Posted by outbound View Post
has any one had issues with the insulated backstay? in particular breakage given the constant vaiation in loading from sailing and changing backstay tension? Do folks routinely replace the connections? Do they have a different service life than the stay itself?
My boat came to us with an insulated backstay already installed. It's been on the boat for at least 15 years (previous, previous owner). We've had the boat for three years. I've noticed no problems with the backstay.

We have yet to install a HF radio, so no experience with connections, but I have not experienced any problems with the insulated links or the backstay itself.

Why go fast, when you can go slow.
MikeOReilly is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #15 of 34 Old 05-20-2013 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: new england
Posts: 2,109
Thanks: 42
Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner

thanks Mike. Good to hear.

s/v Hippocampus
Outbound 46
outbound is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #16 of 34 Old 05-20-2013
Best Looking MALE Mod
 
Cruisingdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Washington State
Posts: 9,917
Thanks: 3
Thanked 123 Times in 57 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Re: ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner

I know many, including Btrayfors, recommend against, "cutting a perfectly good backstay." There are a few options around that, but I will stay out of that conversation as he is the expert. He has always been open to help me so you might consider dropping him a PM or asking him to join this conversation.

I agree that they best option is both. However, you may find many of the cruisers nets are run on vhf every morning, not HF. I listen to the one in Marathon everyday on CH 68 for example. And you don't have to have a HF for C Parker.

http://www.caribwx.com/

http://globalstar.com/en/doubletime2...Fa5j7AodJD8AsQ

I still say if choosing one, in today's age and given your intended cruising area, Sat Phone. But you have to make that decision.


Brian

Sailnet Moderator



1987 Tayana Vancouver 42, Credendo Vides, (Mom and Pops boat, F/T Mobile Live Aboards in Puget Sound)

My Website:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Follow My Blog at:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Follow me on Facebook:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Cruisingdad is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #17 of 34 Old 05-20-2013
Senior Member
 
fallard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Mystic
Posts: 944
Thanks: 1
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Re: ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner

I had a SSB at one time. It was properly installed with a counterpoise and substantial thru-hull grounding plates, along with an insulated backstay.

The SSB was removed after my first lightning strike in 2001. The insulated backstay survived a second lightning strike in 2010, but I decided to replace the standing rigging that was 22 yrs. old. My boat has Navtec rod rigging, and had Navtec insulators.

I probably could have gone for quite a few nire years with the old rigging, as a professional inspection showed no outward signs of problems. But to be absolutely sure would have required a destructive test of the fittings.

The connection to the antenna was made by clamping the stripped copper from the RF lead directly to the antenna section with a small hose clamp that was then wrapped with rigging tape. You may want to assure a good, corrosion-free electrical connection between the copper and the stainless. Perhaps you might encapsulate the contact region with the goo that is used in underground wiring connections and then wrap the connection.
fallard is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #18 of 34 Old 05-20-2013
Senior Member
 
fallard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Mystic
Posts: 944
Thanks: 1
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Re: ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner

I had a SSB at one time. It was properly installed with a counterpoise and substantial thru-hull grounding plates, along with an insulated backstay.

The SSB was removed after my first lightning strike in 2001. The insulated backstay survived a second lightning strike in 2010, but I decided to replace the standing rigging that was 22 yrs. old. My boat has Navtec rod rigging, and had Navtec insulators.

I probably could have gone for quite a few nire years with the old rigging, as a professional inspection showed no outward signs of problems. But to be absolutely sure would have required a destructive test of the fittings.

The connection to the antenna was made by clamping the stripped copper from the RF lead directly to the antenna section with a small hose clamp that was then wrapped with rigging tape. You may want to assure a good, corrosion-free electrical connection between the copper and the stainless. Perhaps you might encapsulate the contact region with the goo that is used in underground wiring connections and then wrap the connection.
fallard is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #19 of 34 Old 05-20-2013 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: new england
Posts: 2,109
Thanks: 42
Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner

think will go with ssb and sailmail for now and study for a ham license as well. Should have enough internet access through cellphone account and modem to laptop that economically longterm satphone doesn't make sense. Will rent one for transits though ( eastern Caribbean). Story about that cat was scary. would love to hear the whole story. maybe post it on smackdaddy's thread. cellphone modem was only $50. that way not using wifi so less issue with hacking.

s/v Hippocampus
Outbound 46
outbound is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #20 of 34 Old 05-20-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Brazil
Posts: 982
Thanks: 3
Thanked 24 Times in 23 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Re: ssb v.satphone ?who's the winner

There is also the option of a whip antenna for your SSB radio. I have an SSB transceiver, radio tuner and whip antenna that came with the boat. I believe the total package today would cost about 5K, labour not included. If I were outfitting a new boat I would certainly go for a sat phone over SSB. In my case I don't participate in radio chats or enjoy HAM/radio activities (I know many who do and derive great pleasure from their radios). I'd want a sat phone for emergency communication only. I've found that email on shore can be done in any internet café for reasonable prices and just about anywhere in the world. Also, a mobile phone with local chips and plans could be a good option for calling and emailing, depending on the local rates. I know in Brazil there are lots of promotions where you can get unlimited mobile internet access for about 25 cents a day, only paying for the days you actually use the service. Many mobile phones today can hold up to 4 chips, making it easy to keep your options open with regards to service providers.

Vindö 50
copacabana is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sailing with a Transat 6.50 winner DarkBlue General Discussion (sailing related) 2 04-27-2012 06:22 PM
Varnish, Found a Winner bushrat Gear & Maintenance 8 06-15-2008 09:10 PM
SSB vs SatPhone SeanF Gear & Maintenance 14 04-13-2006 07:49 PM
Sportsmanship Winner Announced Dan Dickison Racing Articles 0 03-07-2000 07:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome