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Lets talk becasue I am pulling my hair out trying to make a purchase
Roger that, see you next saturday, or in chat.

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T37Chef,

Any reason you aren't looking at the T-145 (or US Batteries 145 for the economy version)

They are rated at 260, your pair of pairs would give you 520 AH. Interestingly they are rated at
To me it's more about AH's I can cram into the space, then AH per dollar.
T-145's run 140 each, under 600 for the set. US B's are running at 120 or so.
I was comparing all the Trojan 6V for capacity vs cost. I've been using drawings to mock up various configurations based on different battery sizes then comparing weight and price. I have not figured cost per amp hrs yet.



I have two areas I am considering moving the house bank to, we'll call them Area 1 and Area 2, if I have done my homework correctly, below is what I came up with so far:

Area 1 is a under the salon settee, center of boat fore and aft but slightly to port. It measures L= 21" +/-, W= 14 +/-, H= 14.5"

This would provide easy access for Wet Cell Battery Maintenance and if I build my own box within the box, 4 each 6V T-105/GC2 would fit very nicely. The T-125 & 145 would also fit well. 450/480/520 amp hrs respectively. The T-105/GC2 or EGC2 would be the most cost effective I think? Easily replaced as well.

Area 2 is just aft of the engine, just forward of the water heater. It is well ventilated so heat is not a major concern. It measures L= 17" +/-, W= 14", H= 29"

In this space I am considering either 6V Trojan J-305-AC or L16H-AC because they are tall and would fit the H easily, would be centerline, and combined have 360/435 Amp hr respectively. I would be able to raise/lower them with a halyard due to their weight. But they are pricey, about $350 each.

Another option for Area 2 is four each 12V Duracell Group 31 AGMs, two stacked and laying on their side. Cost is comparable to two of the J-305 or L16H wet cells and would provide similar amp hrs, Trojans J/L at 360/435 amp hrs vs. 420 amp/hrs for AGM Grp 31.


I am sure there are other options, like Lifeline or US Battery. I would prefer to put the bank in Area 2, otherwise its wasted space and its centerline. Moving the batteries to centerline should help with our 1 degree list to port

BTW...I called Sams CLub Annapolis, they have several types in stock

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WOW, that thing is pricey for 155 am/hrs!
That's more than I paid for my Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries per Ah.....

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Area 2 is just aft of the engine, just forward of the water heater. It is well ventilated so heat is not a major concern. It measures L= 17" +/-, W= 14", H= 29"

In this space I am considering either 6V Trojan J-305-AC or L16H-AC because they are tall and would fit the H easily, would be centerline, and combined have 360/435 Amp hr respectively. I would be able to raise/lower them with a halyard due to their weight. But they are pricey, about $350 each.
I just did this install on a customers boat a few weeks ago.. L16's.. Battery box is made by Dyno to fit L16's and you can get the box from Sailboatowners.com....


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Re: battery availability at sam's club

When comparing the cost of 6V GC2's to L16's you can't discount the fact that an L16 battery has a longer cycle life than a 6V GC battery. Due to the sheer popularity and volume sold of the GC battery they are the least expensive on a $$ to Ah calculation. When compared to typical 12V deep cycles they last significantly longer, but not as long as an L16.

Just like comparing GC2 golf cart batteries to 12V deep cycles, the L16's are to GC2's what GC2's are to 12V deep cycle... The plates in L16's are considerably thicker than GC2's, they take up less floor space, but are taller, and have a higher Peukert #, which on a sailboat, at typical loads, amounts to even more capacity.

If you have the height L16's are a great option especially the ones made for the renewable energy market, which closely mirrors our use on boats.

One should always include US Battery and Deka in L16 search criteria. Most all L16's are darn good batteries... The US Battery RE-L16-XC is a great battery and two of them would give you 401Ah. They run anywhere from about $265.00 to $350.00 depending on the distributor.

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Re: battery availability at sam's club

Thanks Mainsail, much appreciated. The detailed information you provided has really helped. I will look at the others you mentioned but I am pretty certain I am going to go with two Trojan L16's (435 amp/hrs) purchased from a local warehouse, they quoted me $314.95 per + a 10% discount with my yacht club membership and exchange of my dead AGM 31's That seems like a excellent price?

The battery box you recommended looks great, clean install...about $100?

The two L16 are going to fit nicely on the new platform I made, keeps everything neat and organized and uses otherwise dead space.

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Re: battery availability at sam's club

Anyone used this http://www.trojanbattery.com/Products/HydroLink.aspx

HydroLink system from Trojan

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Re: battery availability at sam's club

A lot of food for thought in this thread as I see a new house bank coming due in the next year. I don't know that I could fit 2 of the L-16s without sacrificing storage needed for other things but it sure would be nice to have that extra capacity. Would be awfully hard to wrestle them aboard though. I also noticed US Battery makes a "305" model that's the same footprint as the L-16 but 2 inches shorter and delivers a respectable 340 AH. Might fit on my boat better. Decisions.

Shawn, I'll be interested to hear what you choose and how you end up setting everything up.

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Re: battery availability at sam's club

I have installed the L16s, very pleased with how they fit. Handling them was really pretty easy. I used a dolly to get them down the dock, then swung the boom over to the dock, attached a block and tackle (my preventer) lifted them and then swung them over the cockpit settee and lowered them into the battery box (one like Maine Sail shows above) and then slid the box onto the platform and strapped them in, I will also bolt the box to a bracket. The strap goes through two 5/8 pieces of marine plywood.

Maine Sail, you would be proud All the new cables are labeled and will be fused

On a side note, instead of trying to adapt to the old set up the PO had in place, I found it easier (only after much deliberation) to just remove all the old and redo it myself.

All thats left to do is hook up the battery monitor and test everything again.

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