Alternative to Panama Canal - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related)
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree2Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 06-11-2013
davidpm's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Madison
Posts: 3,818
Thanks: 206
Thanked 50 Times in 42 Posts
Rep Power: 8
davidpm is on a distinguished road
Alternative to Panama Canal

Nicaragua gives Chinese firm contract to build alternative to Panama Canal | World news | guardian.co.uk
__________________
The lesson from the Icarus story is not about human failing.
It is a lesson about the limitations of wax as an adhesive.
If you have an engineering problem solve it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 06-11-2013
Bristol 45.5 - AiniA
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,615
Thanks: 5
Thanked 86 Times in 75 Posts
Rep Power: 9
killarney_sailor is on a distinguished road
re: Alternative to Panama Canal

It was my understanding that the engineers wanted to build the original canal through Lake Nicaragua but this alternative lost out for political reasons. I will believe this canal when there are ships passing through. Making a profit on a $40 billion investment is pretty tough especially with the seasonal alternatives of the Northwest and Northeast Passages becoming more viable each year.
__________________
Back in the water in Grenada - with new main and #2 and cockpit canvas (Santa came early). Will spend the winter and early spring in the Caribbean and then head to Bermuda and the northeast US. Still trying to decide if we will bring the boat to Canada, either in 2015 or 2016.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 06-11-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: new england
Posts: 1,868
Thanks: 34
Thanked 35 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 3
outbound is on a distinguished road
re: Alternative to Panama Canal

Any one know if when re construction on the panama canal will be totally completed and how construction is currently effecting sailboats passing through?
Any one know good agent(s) for arranging deckhands etc. for this transit?
I thought the new canal's benefit is to be the absence of locks, larger dimensions allowing VLCCs and open 24/7 365. This would make it cost competitive as insurance and fuel costs would be less.
__________________
s/v Hippocampus
Outbound 46
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 06-11-2013
MarkofSeaLife's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,548
Thanks: 33
Thanked 95 Times in 78 Posts
Rep Power: 5
MarkofSeaLife is on a distinguished road
re: Alternative to Panama Canal

I doubt it would have the strategic effect the article is talking about... seeming to be quite skewed against the Americans.
The USA has given up control of Panama and Panama is the country that will be in deep do-do when this new canal gets the final go-ahead.

I think we can see the stupidly high transit prices free-fall like a lawyer from a snakes bum.

For the USA the benefits will be in cheaper freight and most importantly another political hot [potato can be shoved in the "we dont give a damn, run it how you like as we can use the Chinese canal!".

Finally, Oil is going by the way of the Cape anyway. As oil is on longer term contracts hedged by futures prices it doesnt really matter if those ships ever use a central American canal. They aren't going via the Horn afaik.


Mark
__________________
Sea Life
Notes on a Circumnavigation:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 06-12-2013
Bristol 45.5 - AiniA
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,615
Thanks: 5
Thanked 86 Times in 75 Posts
Rep Power: 9
killarney_sailor is on a distinguished road
re: Alternative to Panama Canal

The new locks were well under construction when we went through and have no impact on existing lock operations since they are not that close to the existing ones. Panama operates 365 24/7 just not for yachts who moor (you could have a small squared dance on the mooring 'ball') in the lake after a late afternoon departure. The only real advantage of this new canal would be the size of the locks which are much larger than even the new Panama locks. Transit fees would go down, at least for ships that could use Panama. I am very skeptical about this new one.
__________________
Back in the water in Grenada - with new main and #2 and cockpit canvas (Santa came early). Will spend the winter and early spring in the Caribbean and then head to Bermuda and the northeast US. Still trying to decide if we will bring the boat to Canada, either in 2015 or 2016.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 06-12-2013
denverd0n's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 915
Thanks: 0
Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts
Rep Power: 7
denverd0n is on a distinguished road
re: Alternative to Panama Canal

Quote:
Originally Posted by killarney_sailor View Post
I will believe this canal when there are ships passing through. Making a profit on a $40 billion investment is pretty tough...
Agree completely.

On the other hand, just the threat that an alternative could be built might be enough to get the Panamanians to re-evaluate their pricing. That certainly would not be a bad thing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 06-13-2013
Omatako's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Auckland New Zealand
Posts: 2,449
Thanks: 0
Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts
Rep Power: 12
Omatako will become famous soon enough
Re: Alternative to Panama Canal

The problem for us though is that the Panama operators will drop the cost of transits for ships but to drop the cost for yachts is not going to happen because it amounts to relative pennies.

And one thing is for sure - nobody is going to invest $40b to keep their popularity with sailors up
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

__________________

"Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying."

Arthur C. Clarke
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 06-13-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: new england
Posts: 1,868
Thanks: 34
Thanked 35 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 3
outbound is on a distinguished road
Re: Alternative to Panama Canal

thanks gentlemen- can you share the pragmatics of doing this transit from east to west. arrangements, costs, best time of year etc. Our hopes are to shake down our boat this year and then either do the north atlantic gyre staring in New England going clockwise ending in eastern Carib followed by south pacific. Wonder if better served by just heading to Annapolis doing the 1500 then heading to panama. Your thoughts and experience appreciated.
__________________
s/v Hippocampus
Outbound 46
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 06-13-2013
Bristol 45.5 - AiniA
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,615
Thanks: 5
Thanked 86 Times in 75 Posts
Rep Power: 9
killarney_sailor is on a distinguished road
Re: Alternative to Panama Canal

Outbound, in terms of planning your journey it makes sense to think about what your plans are after you go through the Canal. Sit back with a beer and Cornell and you will see that the sequence of when you can go where.

Costs for doing Panama vary a lot depending on how much of the work you pay for (agent, hiring line handlers, lines, fenders, etc) and size. Price goes way up at 50' (I noticed you are close) and they measure. Our 45 footer measured at 48.5' because of Monitor. Davits could be a big issue.
__________________
Back in the water in Grenada - with new main and #2 and cockpit canvas (Santa came early). Will spend the winter and early spring in the Caribbean and then head to Bermuda and the northeast US. Still trying to decide if we will bring the boat to Canada, either in 2015 or 2016.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 06-13-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: new england
Posts: 1,868
Thanks: 34
Thanked 35 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 3
outbound is on a distinguished road
Re: Alternative to Panama Canal

Thanks for the good advice. Been trying to think about this as one big trip which is wrong headed. Given life issues if done will be done in stages. I'm a wimp and want no part of hurricanes or typhoons. Agree Jimmy's the man. Fortunately my davits swing down using a halyard. When locked upright they sit forward of the end of the sugar scoop. We are really 46' LOA with another foot for the anchor bowsprit. of course would have ding (walker bay with folding transom) deflated and lashed on foredeck so wouldn't signify. Have no interest in circumnavigation but was hoping to see NZ with Thailand as last stop before meandering back east. Boat too tall to trunk so would transit canal west east at end of voyage to regain carib. Wife has interest in heading to Azores then med northern shore then back. Hard to think about this as it's all still very intimidating.
Faster likes this.
__________________
s/v Hippocampus
Outbound 46
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
BVI to Panama Canal rockDAWG General Discussion (sailing related) 15 04-18-2013 09:46 PM
Panama Canal ffiill General Discussion (sailing related) 1 09-16-2010 12:43 PM
panama canal Crunch Cruising & Liveaboard Forum 0 08-08-2008 11:57 AM
Panama Canal Stryker72 General Discussion (sailing related) 3 06-19-2007 07:39 PM
Panama Canal roborider Cruising & Liveaboard Forum 14 11-26-2006 09:30 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:46 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.