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Imaginary Voyage 06-21-2013 01:15 AM

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To any cruisers or recent cruisers out there. What are you using for charts? Electronic or paper or both. And if so where are you getting them? What brand of electronic charts? Looking to cruise the Med. and charts, at least paper ones are expensive and add up. How is everyone else dealing with this expense?? Thanks for any input.

JonEisberg 06-21-2013 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Imaginary Voyage (Post 1047242)
To any cruisers or recent cruisers out there. What are you using for charts? Electronic or paper or both. And if so where are you getting them? What brand of electronic charts? Looking to cruise the Med. and charts, at least paper ones are expensive and add up. How is everyone else dealing with this expense?? Thanks for any input.

I use both... If you're using a plotter, your choice of electronic will depend on the manufacture of your gear. My older Simrad stuff uses C-Map, which I've always been quite happy with... Can't speak to anything else electronic, I don't currently use a computer for navigation, although people keep trying to convince me I can't live without an iPad, so that might change some day...

Paper is tough, it's a significant expense, no question, especially in certain cruising areas... More and more people today seem to be comfortable going paperless, but I'm not one of them... Yet...

I've used the portfolios from Bellingham Chart Printers in the past, they're a good alternative to originals at a substantial price savings... However, they often do not have rights to copy originals from the hydrographic services of other countries, so might not always be copies of the best charts available for a particular cruising ground... Here are their folios of NIMA charts for the Med:

http://www.tidesend.com/index.lasso?...gion&area=a011

I've bought some used charts from this outfit in the UK, nice folks to deal with, I was very satisfied with their service...

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And, keep checking with the SSCA Chart Exchange, stuff pops up there from time to time...

SSCA Forum ? View forum - Chart Exchange

Finally, there's always eBay, though it's a bit frustrating that there doesn't seem to be a properly designated category for navigational charts, they often appear to be listed under some sub-section for 'Antiques'... Still, I've scored a few deals on eBay over the years...

happy_sailor 06-21-2013 08:59 AM

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I try to use paper and electronic concurrently... I'll lose paper once electronic charts can scroll as quickly as moving my eyes across the chart.

JonEisberg 06-21-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by happy_sailor (Post 1047310)
I try to use paper and electronic concurrently... I'll lose paper once electronic charts can scroll as quickly as moving my eyes across the chart.

Yup, there's certainly no substitute for paper for planning purposes, the need for constant zooming in and out drives me nuts...

However, I'll lose paper once electronic charts no longer require the continuous, uninterrupted flow of electrons to be viewable... (grin)

Alex W 06-21-2013 10:37 AM

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For my trip this year I'm using up to date electronic charts, but one revision out of date paper charts.

I'll let you know at the end of summer if that was stupid or not. Getting used paper charts made them 15% of the cost of new.

Minnewaska 06-21-2013 10:42 AM

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I keep two MapTech chartbooks aboard that cover from NJ to ME. I also have the NOAA chart for the Bay and a couple of other singles.

I do all my preliminary float planning on my iPad now. Using Charts and Tides, its easy to zoom in and out by pinching or spreading the view with two fingers. I tap on anchorages or marinas to get Active Captain reviews, data, phone numbers, etc and use the tap ruler to measure distances.

If the trip is long enough, I may enter a course into the chartplotter. More often I only enter a danger bearing, so I know that if I'm sailing on the wrong side of it, I can't make it safely to my destination on that tack.

Melrna 06-21-2013 11:45 AM

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I am a little leery of chartplotters for 100% Navigation. There seems to be a big difference between the electronic chart manufactures on what is displayed. Raymarine vs Garmin there can be huge difference on hazards displayed. My question would be why is there a difference. One area the Raymarine chart is better where other areas the Garmin charts are.
Than you throw paper charts in the mix and they too can be different. One would think that the mapping agency's would put out only one chart that shows the most accurate information. I know governments are slow and manufactures can be proprietary but in the interest of safety I think one standard should be the norm.
Bottom line is every mariner should use basic VPR(visual Piloting Rules) with the help of all charts available both electronic and paper.

JimsCAL 06-21-2013 06:43 PM

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No way I would rely on only electronic charts and a chartplotter. Yes I love the convenience of my Garmin, but that's in conjunction with paper charts. Just can't get the big picture on a 5 inch screen. Even a large expensive chartplotter can't display the info that a paper chart can.

poopdeckpappy 06-21-2013 07:16 PM

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I use paper, Navionics (smartphone) and Offshore navigator on the lap top but, paper is always on the nav desk

aeventyr60 06-21-2013 10:33 PM

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We still trade paper charts with other cruisers who have already been to where we want to go. I'll bet someone on your dock has stacks of charts for the Med.


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