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Re: Do you wear a life jacket?

I recently read the book "Suddenly Overboard!" by Lochhass. Great read. Early in the book the author provides some statistics derived from available accident data. While hard to verify and/or assess context without the original data, the statistics seem to support PFD use. Someone during the thread asked about data on the subject so I'm not trying to convince anyone. A few key statistics:

83% of fatalities involving sailboats resulted from drowning

In 89% of sailing fatalities from drowning the victim did not have a PFD

50% of sailing fatalities occurred while actually sailing

40% of sailing fatalities occurred with the boat upright and nearby

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I recently read the book "Suddenly Overboard!" by Lochhass. Great read. Early in the book the author provides some statistics derived from available accident data. While hard to verify and/or assess context without the original data, the statistics seem to support PFD use. Someone during the thread asked about data on the subject so I'm not trying to convince anyone. A few key statistics:

83% of fatalities involving sailboats resulted from drowning

In 89% of sailing fatalities from drowning the victim did not have a PFD

50% of sailing fatalities occurred while actually sailing

40% of sailing fatalities occurred with the boat upright and nearby

Josh
Nice Josh! Yes, data is the key. Probably need to verify it but it is within 10% of what I have heard before. I have gotten out of the habit of being more data oriented.

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Re: Do you wear a life jacket?

NOPE not ever. I do wear a harness when out of the cockpit in rough conditions.

I have considered wearing an inflateable with a PLB strapped to it and probably should do so in very rough conditions.

The sea temp where I sail is in the 80sf and I am a reasonably strong swimmer.

BTW Have you ever tried to swim in a lifejacket?
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Re: Do you wear a life jacket?

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In 89% of sailing fatalities from drowning the victim did not have a PFD
I generally do wear a PFD so I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but…

We have the data that 89% of drowning victims were not wearing a PFD and presumably 11% were. But to put that in context we need to know the overall level of PFD usage. For example, if only 11% of people routinely wear a PFD, then the fact that 11% of drowning victims were wearing a PFD would indicate that PFDs have no effect on survival rate.
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I generally do wear a PFD so I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but…

We have the data that 89% of drowning victims were not wearing a PFD and presumably 11% were. But to put that in context we need to know the overall level of PFD usage. For example, if only 11% of people routinely wear a PFD, then the fact that 11% of drowning victims were wearing a PFD would indicate that PFDs have no effect on survival rate.
Getting data on those who were saved while wearing a PFD after falling overboard would be a definitive data point. That might be hard data to come by.

I read it as 11% died while still wearing a PFD.
Hypothermia got 'em is my "guess".
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Re: Do you wear a life jacket?

Or they were already dead when they hit the water, or they were caught under the boat.

We are talking percentages here, but recalling the last stats I saw regarding boating accidients in the US, there was something like a dozen sailing related fatalities (that particular year). That's on par with the number of folks who keel over each year from eating raw oysters. Statistically, it appears to me that sailing is about as safe as staying home and watching TV.

I'm not advocating a no-PFD policy. If you want to wear it, wear it. Just don't force me to wear one when I deem conditions safe enough not to. I promise not to criticise your decision if you promise not criticise mine. Next thing you know, we'll have granny-ninnies mandating we wear kevlar helmets full time just in case a meteorite decided to brain us.

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Quick, get the rum!
Sounds like a plan to me
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I heard Rufus had the Jug, now whether or not any rum is left, is a whole nuther issue!
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Re: Do you wear a life jacket?

Here are some statistics:
Accident Statistics
the most current year is this file:
http://www.uscgboating.org/assets/1/...g/Page/705.PDF

Page 7 has what seems to be the relevant data. Note that sailboats didn't even make the Top 5 chart.

Even with all this data, the incidents are not normalized for degree of use in the various conditions cited. Thus the difference between information and data.
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Re: Do you wear a life jacket?

http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/lifejacket...opyright-2.pdf
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