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Oh.. I don't even know but a Bristol Channel Cutter comes to mind for me.....
enjoy.. if only to see.

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I have no experience with any, but Seaward has a line of yachts with retractable keels. 26-46 feet

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Re: Good Blue Water / Shallow Water Compromise

Channel Cutters are fairly deep depth boats. I think the compromise he is looking for would be a shoal draft keel boat with a swing keel to help with the upwind sections.

As per above.. Alberg did design one of the Sea Sprites, the 23. I know, I own one.

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Re: Good Blue Water / Shallow Water Compromise

4'10" not that bad, My boat is 4'11"

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Re: Good Blue Water / Shallow Water Compromise

Thanks for the great feedback everyone. How about an Alberg 30? Def transatlantic capable when I am :-), only a 4.25 draft, and they are very popular in the Chesapeake. There are nice examples locally for under $10k. I'm trying to avoid bigger is better and I think it would suit my needs. It may also give you a clue about my budget :-D Also, I hope to buy a slip in Baltimore at some point and a 30ft slip is significantly cheaper than a 40 ft one.
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Re: Good Blue Water / Shallow Water Compromise

I think the Alber 30 is an earlier iteration of the Cape Dory 30. Was it built by Pearson? The biggest difference might be with interior volume and beam width. Depending on the year they may have had Atomic 4 gas engines vs a deisel.
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Re: Good Blue Water / Shallow Water Compromise

We have a centerboard boat that draws 6 feet when it's up and over ten when down. Six feet is an acceptable cruising depth, though thanks to Regan the ICW has parts that are no longer navigable for a boat that deep. But when fighting for every inch on a windward beat, that 10+ feet of draft is amazing.
Even at anchor we run the board down about 2/3 of the way and it's like sticking a spike into the bottom (it never actually touches the bottom) and we ride so much more comfortably than the shallower draft vessels around us.
I'm not sure if a swing keel is another name for a centerboard, so if not, I can't help you with that.
Another point with a centerboard; it is NOT an all or nothing proposition, experiment with the depth to find the best amount to put down for conditions.
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Re: Good Blue Water / Shallow Water Compromise

Alberg 30s, 37s, and Whitby 42s and a few others were built by Whitby Boat Works right across the harbour from my yacht club on Lake Ontario. Solidly built in general but not as good as Cape Dory - but cheaper. I would look for a later A30 but not one of the very last ones. I heard they were cutting corners trying to stay alive. Mainly Atomic 4 engines, but many would have replacements by now.

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Re: Good Blue Water / Shallow Water Compromise

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Thanks for the great feedback everyone. How about an Alberg 30? Def transatlantic capable when I am :-), only a 4.25 draft, and they are very popular in the Chesapeake. There are nice examples locally for under $10k. I'm trying to avoid bigger is better and I think it would suit my needs. It may also give you a clue about my budget :-D Also, I hope to buy a slip in Baltimore at some point and a 30ft slip is significantly cheaper than a 40 ft one.
If you're thinking along those lines, I'd suggest also looking at some of the boats built by Allied... The Seawind was the first-ever fiberglass boat to complete a circumnavigation, and Robin Lee Graham finished up his voyage on a Luders 33...

Here's one listed over in Rock Hall:

1969 Allied Luders Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Allieds were built like the proverbial brick sh_t house, and the designs of Thomas Gilmer make wonderful sea boats... Probably considerably more roomy than the typically narrow Alberg designs, as well...

They're definitely a Plain Jane sort of boat, nothing fancy, but robust, and pleasing to the eye in the traditional sense... Probably about as much bang for the buck as anything comparable out there...

The Allied Owners Group is pretty active, and these folks are very devoted to the brand...

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Re: Good Blue Water / Shallow Water Compromise

The Pearson 35 has a board up draft of 4' 9". 7' 9" down. Some would say it isn't a good light wind boat ( Chesapeake winds ) but I think it performs fairly well. I've heard of a few crossing the Atlantic and at least one crossing the Pacific. I'm sure there are more. The blue water purists will say that the cockpit is too large for heavy seas. But lots of room for crew and passengers!

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