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Re: First Boat - Nunsuch?

Thanks all for the insights/advice. Any other boat suggestions would be welcome. I'm VERY early in my search and want to explore all options. I have been directed to Pearson's, etc but again looking for a good short handed cruising boat.
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Re: First Boat - Nunsuch?

I think all Nonsuch owners are a very satisfied, enthusiastic bunch which should speak volumes on its own...

And for coastal cruising I can see the appeal. They have been offshore, however.. I recall a Nonsuch (30?) being abandoned at sea some years back after shredding a (THE) sail.. months later the boat showed up somewhere still intact. I'm aware of at least a couple of former Nonsuch owners choosing different boats for offshore voyaging.

Good luck in your search.. I guess a last comment is that you might get a lot more boat for your money going down a different path given the higher retained value of the Nonsuch line, but it's all going to come down to the compromises that make most sense to you...

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Re: First Boat - Nunsuch?

You may also want to look into the Freedom line of boats. They have a very similar design.

One thing to watch out for is that the Freedom boats are generally cored hulls and so you'd want to have a careful survey done to make sure that the core is still dry.

When I bought my Pearson 28-2 we also looked at Freedom 28. It was a very nice looking boat, but I like having extensive sail controls and decided that a more conventional sloop was a better option for me.

Both companies have reputations for building very high quality boats. I see a lot of Nonsuch boats while cruising around the Salish Sea. Last weekend there were two at Blake Island (also 3 Hinkley's, it was quite a nice weekend for boat watching).

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Re: First Boat - Nunsuch?

Hi Pcpk,

I recommend for your first boat to buy a standard sloop not any other sort of rig. Reasons are I feel its best to learn on the rig used by 90% of the sailing community... a mainsail and a genoa.
When you have learned to sail and enjoy your own boat then you can do wahever you like... buy a ketch, yawl, schooner, Nonsuch etc, whatever...
But buying a one sail specialist rig only teaches you to sail that rig and no other boat.

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One thing to watch out for is that the Freedom boats are generally cored hulls and so you'd want to have a careful survey done to make sure that the core is still dry.
I strongly agree with the advisability of a good survey. And a separate engine survey for any boat you are really interested in. (Not that there are any particular problems with Nonsuch engines--mostly Westerbekes's, but because you'll learn more.)

I also wanted to clarify that Nonsuch's have cored hulls too. But in over 5 years of reading all the messages posted on the Nonsuch listserv, I do not recall reading any that suggests an owner is dealing with a wet core issue. Not saying it doesn't/cannot happen. Just that it must be rare because the topic just isn't raised.

I agree that Nonsuches are expensive. You have to really like the boats and the concept. If not, you can get a different and bigger boat for less money. On the plus side, I think the value they hold means that owners take care of them. I'm guessing there are fewer (percentage wise) neglected Nonsuches compared to some other boats, but that's just a guess.

You can save about $10K on a 30 if you go for the "Classic" layout instead of the "Ultra" layout. Both have advantages/disadvantages. The ultra just seems to be more popular...and therefore commands a premium.


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Re: First Boat - Nunsuch?

My sense is that cored hulls done properly are fine since it is rare that holes have to drilled through the coring here. The problem with cored decks is that so many holes get drilled through the core, often not properly.

You should also look at Freedoms, but to my eye Nonsuches just look right.

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I too am intrigued by the Nonsuches. They do seem to be a good choice for doing the Great Loop. However, I do have a couple of questions for the owners. How is the sail reefed? Do you just drop it, tie it up and raise the reefed sail?. How hard is it to drop that mast? The inland parts of the Great Loop require having the mast dropped. Have any of you done this? Thanks for any info you can share.

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I too am intrigued by the Nonsuches. They do seem to be a good choice for doing the Great Loop. However, I do have a couple of questions for the owners. How is the sail reefed? Do you just drop it, tie it up and raise the reefed sail?. How hard is it to drop that mast? The inland parts of the Great Loop require having the mast dropped. Have any of you done this? Thanks for any info you can share.

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Not sure about the mast but reefing looks fairly simple/straight forward. Search youtube for "sailing a nonsuch" in the 2nd video around 3:15 covers reefing

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I too am intrigued by the Nonsuches. They do seem to be a good choice for doing the Great Loop. However, I do have a couple of questions for the owners. How is the sail reefed? Do you just drop it, tie it up and raise the reefed sail?. How hard is it to drop that mast? The inland parts of the Great Loop require having the mast dropped. Have any of you done this? Thanks for any info you can share.

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Nonsuches use two line reefing and it is very fast. Essentially, all you do is lower the halyard a bit and pull down on the luff reef line. Then pull up the halyard to stretch the luff. Next, pull the leach reefing line to bring the new clew to the wishbone. All done from the cockpit. You don't have to gather or tie the sail because it just falls into the cradle lines between the wishbone.

Dropping the mast is no big deal. Most Nonsuches in the north do it every season, most in the south do not. Lots of Nonsuches transit between the Great Lakes and the Hudson and other places. I have never done it. One concern would be the overhang of the mast. The mast on a 30 foot Nonsuch is about 50 feet long. So, if you drop the mast and carry it on deck, you have 10 feet sticking out beyond both the bow and the stern. Again, lots of folks do it. But I think that would make me nervous.

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Re: First Boat - Nunsuch?

Four friends have owned and enjoyed their Nonsuch boats. All were very positive about the Nonsuch. One had to recore the deck around the mast. This was an expensive item so I ensure that the survey closely heeds water penetration.
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