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Re: Handicapped Access to Salon?

I see that they make battery powered versions of the electric stair lifts people put in their homes (such as with AmeriGlide). Don't know if they could handle the steeper angle or the space, but have you looked at these?
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Re: Handicapped Access to Salon?

Mark, nice work!

He may have problems with thin or sensitive skin, and not scoot well. If so, use one of those 'lazy susans' sold to aid getting in & out of cars.
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Re: Handicapped Access to Salon?

Booms are commonly used to haul an engine out of the salon. As long as you have a good topping lift, I don't think it would be under undue strain.
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Re: Handicapped Access to Salon?

A local lawn mower shop used to have one of those industrial wire pulley/hoist things and instead of a full electric motor they had rigged a hand drill to provide the power to turn it to provide the lift.
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Re: Handicapped Access to Salon?

Mark, your diagram is awesome!! Now can you please come put it together for me? We'll throw an extra six pack in the cooler for you!

I tried to turn the thread over to my husband but see he hasn't replied. I think we're going to start with the simpler options and move on to the more bulky ones if simple doesn't work. And it looks like I'm treating him to a birthday trip to check out bigger boats that may be more adaptable. Anyone want to buy 36 acres in Colorado? That may be converted to boat money.

We had a second-hand (and ultimately useless) stair lift which we tried to install in our home and I'm quite familiar with their size and weight. Maybe that would work on a 40 ft boat but in our 30 ft Catalina the galley extends in front of the steps and I don't have the long run a more accommodating arrangement would give me. We're focusing now on boats that have no obstruction at the bottom of the steps and would give us the ability to ramp the steps for a more gradual rise. Or at least give us room for a standard lift seat.
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Re: Handicapped Access to Salon?

KC,

I was thinking about your quest last night. If at all possible, whatever you use should have a manual-operation mode for backup. Batteries die, motors quit, hydraulic systems leak, cables break, people have problems.

You said a while back that you had used the halyard and harness successfully. Is it something you could fine-tune to use if your primary fails? Whatever you choose, practice your backup drill well - you could think of it as extra therapy.

What happens if [ you ] are incapacitated? I don't want to sound alarmist, just trying to cover the bases.
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Re: Handicapped Access to Salon?

I have a sister with CP that effects her lower body, but she has excellent upper body strength. She can get herself around our boat better than she can ashore. As the OP points out, hand holds on sail boats tend to be placed strategically. I'm a little worried about a cat, in that the hand holds are usually fewer and further between, but I am sure if you search and add hand holds you can make it work.

The 2 difficult steps are boarding from a dock or dingy, and going below as mentioned. We have used a bosuns chair successfully in both cases, suspended from the boom. Another nice thing about a sail boat is that you can find ways of leading lines to winches and blocks to create huge mechanical advantage, and easily lift anyone.

Once my sister is on deck or below, she needs no help moving around as hand holds are always within easy reach.

Good luck and PM me for details if you like. It's terrific you are out there doing it. Don't give up, just adapt!
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Re: Handicapped Access to Salon?

Manatee: If thereís a way to worry about something that may never happen, Iíll find it. But Iím pretty sure weíre never far from help on our lake. Cell phone coverage is everywhere and the guys at the marina would surely come help if we were at anchorage. At dock we might have to wait for our buddies to sober up enough to help but thatís only a matter of time. Being on a lake gives me a much better sense of security than I would have on the ocean. Our back-up to any electrical system we might add would be the halyard/harness and if that fails then we can always get a few guys together to shove him out the hatch.

Cape: Iím aware that catamaran handholds arenít as nearly spaced and the same issue may be true with bigger single hulls, particularly with the coastal cruisers weíd be more likely to afford. Guess weíll just have to look at them and see how theyíll work. Good for your sister for not letting CP get her down! Send her our happy thoughts for lots more years of happy sailing.
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Re: Handicapped Access to Salon?

What about a ramp? Perhaps one could be made with nonslip material on top. The ramp could then be placed over the stairs and secured in some way. You could then enter the salon first and provide support.

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Re: Handicapped Access to Salon?

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