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This reminds me of a member in our sailing club. They have a *BIG* full keeled Morgan. Doesn't back worth a damn. However, they do have a whole mechanical platform on the aft deck to lower their dinghy. Come time to reverse, the Admiral would get on the dinghy, and skipper would lower it just to the point where the shaft of the outboard was under water....then he'd back her up.

The dinghy acted like a stern thruster to straighten out the prop-walk and wander in reverse

Was a great spectacle in the marina, HA!
Eh? Am I sensing a little "holier then thou" attitude?

Maybe the spectacle is the people spectating!

I don't see how this discussion is about reversing motoring a boat. "doesn't back worth a damn" in your opinion maybe?

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Re: Do you have an outboard for back up propulsion?

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Eh? Am I sensing a little "holier then thou" attitude?

Maybe the spectacle is the people spectating!

I don't see how this discussion is about reversing motoring a boat. "doesn't back worth a damn" in your opinion maybe?

"If your calling me or others a fool, then say it! Don't hint, it's petty"
Its pretty well acknowledged that any full keeled boat does not track in reverse. Personally, I think this is brilliant...sailing ingenuity at its best without throwing money at another piece of technology that is unreliable (thrusters).

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Its pretty well acknowledged that any full keeled boat does not track in reverse. Personally, I think this is brilliant...sailing ingenuity at its best without throwing money at another piece of technology that is unreliable (thrusters).
I don't know, If I ever get a chance on a full keel boat I'll find out. Still, this wasn't about motoring in reverse which could be a good discussion on another thread. From all that I know and have seen, and using prop walk to help spin my boat 180 in tight quarters, is actually easy now, it wasn't 5 years ago.
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Re: Do you have an outboard for back up propulsion?

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I don't know, If I ever get a chance on a full keel boat I'll find out. Still, this wasn't about motoring in reverse which could be a good discussion on another thread. From all that I know and have seen, and using prop walk to help spin my boat 180 in tight quarters, is actually easy now, it wasn't 5 years ago.
Yeah, it's back up propulsion, not backup propulsion!
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Re: Do you have an outboard for back up propulsion?

Denise,

At first I wasn't paying attention to your post. I have an Islander-28 with a great little A-4. It is most reliable. An obm doesn't make much sense for my purposes? After mulling over your "proposal" it occurred to me that having an obm that could push the boat if stranded in some remote location might be worth considering. Perhaps if we were leaving for a summer cruise to Newfoundland and wanted a back up motor, would building a removable mount that would hang low enough make sense? Finding the space to store an obm and that mount would be a problem. Probably too big a problem but, being stuck in some fiejord with no engine would be a PITA. If you could lower something down onto the transom and motor away that would be nice. We do have a long shaft, 4 stroke, 7.5 Honda that would probably push the boat at hull speed. Does it make sense to carry something that big as back up? Probably not. It is an interesting idea, thanks.

Carry enough spares for the A-4 instead.

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Re: Do you have an outboard for back up propulsion?

Sorry for the confusion.. LOL No I did not mean "do you have power to back up"

I'm just thinking if I had transmission problems (more matter of when, not if) rather then cut a trip short and leave my boat for salv... err repairs

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Re: Do you have an outboard for back up propulsion?

Hi Denise, Did the PO have an engine on that mount that worked for propulsion? When you say it's too high, do you mean too high for the 9.9 to fit on it and lower? I'm not sure why you'd need cable controls..wouldn't you just lock it and steer with your ships rudder?

I agree I don't know if I'd lug around the heavy 9.9 ..just in case. But a smaller outboard that could serve a dual purpose of engine back-up and dinghy outboard might be worth considering.

In either case, I'm guessing you're worried about the trans. going in the worst possible place like the C&D canal or some other narrow channel. The transom mount would get you going faster: lower, start and go. Hip towing with a dinghy takes a little time to set up. You might want to think about how to get an anchor out quickly, if you can't sail to safety.

I transit a rock lined inlet and two bridges to get in and out of my marina where there's often swift currents running. Only once in many years did my engine stall in the channel ( before I cleaned the fuel tank). But ever since then I've kept a danforth anchor mounted to my stern rail. I managed to sail back to my slip with the genoa, but it was a rare beam wind and two open bridges that allowed me to do that.

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Do you have a dink with an outboard? If so a 'hip tow' with the dink lashed alongside works.

Even a 2hp egg beater will move a 30 footer along providing there is not much wind.
Although I have actually never done it, I have watched the Tow Boat US bring a few boats in using this technique...maybe I should try it for myself before I need to

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Re: Do you have an outboard for back up propulsion?

The mount is too high for any outboard. and it's not even reinforced inside the transom for it. It does make a good lpg tank mount LOL I've hip towed a boat with my club dinghy and it was slow but did work. The 9.9 I have doesn't even have a tiller handle, guess it could be rigged to run one speed. But lugging that thing is not something I'd want to do. sold my honda 2 hp very short shaft it was though.

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Re: Do you have an outboard for back up propulsion?

With your boat, you really don't NEED to steer using the tiller handle. The only thing you'd need is the throttle cable. I wonder if you couldn't make a temporary mount that you could put on the stern pulpit for the controls. As others have said, perhaps a structure (stainless steel?) kind of like a ladder that fits over the gunwals (sp?) at the back with a mount for the outboard. No, I wouldn't want to use it on a regular basis, or in really nasty seas, but for where you sail, something like that might work to get you to the nearest marina.

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