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Must be you don't have Bluefish down your way.
They're seasonal for us in Florida - like many other species, they show up in the
winter. In 'Flotsam and Jetsam' Robb White has some fun bluefish lore.
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He must be lonely. All his brothers are vacationing up at cape cod
Perhaps he got caught up in a waterspout that 'transported' him to his current location? :-)


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Not a typo - it's bluefish. The worst incident took place in South Florida many years ago when 50 people were bitten when a massive school of bluefish ripped through a school of migrating menhaden that just happened to be in the same waters as a popular beach where hundreds of people were swimming and playing in the surf. Bluefish are among the most predatory species in the world, and until about 1970, were considered trashfish in the list of edible species, at least other than New England and the UK.

I've personally witnessed them rip a hooked mako shark to shreds before the shark could be landed. That mako probably would have tipped the scales at nearly 800 pounds. When a school of marauding, chopper bluefish rips through a school of baitfish, they often drive them to the surface where a feeding frenzy ensues.

Until recent years it was not at all unusual to see 20-acre schools of bluefish churning the ocean's surface to a bloody foam as they slashed their razor sharp teeth through everything that moved - including some of their own. When that happens, the hapless predator quickly becomes part of the prey. And, size has no bearing under these circumstances. A school of marauding bluefish ripping into a school of migrating herring, menhaden, etc..., makes a feeding school of piranha look like a Sunday School Picnic.

Now, Slow But Steady, there are lots of marine biologists in this part of the world. And, every one of them that I know personally works in a small segment of the entire field, and most have little or no specific knowledge of areas outside their field of expertise. Bruce Halstead worked in the field of dangerous marine animals for four decades, he's highly respected by his peers, and written several books on this subject.

As for my credentials, until just a year ago, I researched, wrote and published outdoor articles pertaining to fisheries, wildlife, conservation and boating for two dozen publications, many of which were national and international. My career in this field began in 1975. I worked with and interviewed marine, fisheries and wildlife biologists from throughout the world, including many from the National Marine Fisheries Service and Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission. I chaired the Maryland Striped Bass Advisory Committee, which was instrumental in bringing about the historical striped bass moratorium in 1985. I had the good fortune to interview Bruce Halstead and write about his worldwide adventures in my weekly column in the Washington Post, a column I wrote for 16 years. OK, you're a marine biologist - what's your point?

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Not a typo - it's bluefish. The worst incident took place in South Florida many years ago when 50 people were bitten when a massive school of bluefish ripped through a school of migrating menhaden that just happened to be in the same waters as a popular beach where hundreds of people were swimming and playing in the surf. Bluefish are among the most predatory species in the world, and until about 1970, were considered trashfish in the list of edible species, at least other than New England and the UK.

I've personally witnessed them rip a hooked mako shark to shreds before the shark could be landed. That mako probably would have tipped the scales at nearly 800 pounds. When a school of marauding, chopper bluefish rips through a school of baitfish, they often drive them to the surface where a feeding frenzy ensues.

Until recent years it was not at all unusual to see 20-acre schools of bluefish churning the ocean's surface to a bloody foam as they slashed their razor sharp teeth through everything that moved - including some of their own. When that happens, the hapless predator quickly becomes part of the prey. And, size has no bearing under these circumstances. A school of marauding bluefish ripping into a school of migrating herring, menhaden, etc..., makes a feeding school of piranha look like a Sunday School Picnic.

Now, Slow But Steady, there are lots of marine biologists in this part of the world. And, every one of them that I know personally works in a small segment of the entire field, and most have little or no specific knowledge of areas outside their field of expertise. Bruce Halstead worked in the field of dangerous marine animals for four decades, he's highly respected by his peers, and written several books on this subject.

As for my credentials, until just a year ago, I researched, wrote and published outdoor articles pertaining to fisheries, wildlife, conservation and boating for two dozen publications, many of which were national and international. My career in this field began in 1975. I worked with and interviewed marine, fisheries and wildlife biologists from throughout the world, including many from the National Marine Fisheries Service and Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission. I chaired the Maryland Striped Bass Advisory Committee, which was instrumental in bringing about the historical striped bass moratorium in 1985. I had the good fortune to interview Bruce Halstead and write about his worldwide adventures in my weekly column in the Washington Post, a column I wrote for 16 years. OK, you're a marine biologist - what's your point?

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Cool beans, I was trying to find out on the internet why the bluefish would be considered dangerous, but though it was noted that they were a schooling predatory fish there were no mentions of folks getting hurt. I was seeing a bunch of stuff on the blowfish making people dead from eating it the wrong way, and just figured it was a typo, my bad.

I would love to see some video of those fish feeding in a school, I am going to have to search a little deeper and see what I come up with, if I find something good I will post it.


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[QUOTE=travlineasy;1058655]And your source of information is?QUOTE]

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Bluefish Feeding Frenzy Closes Sagg Main*|*The Sag Harbor Express

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Re: Great White spotted near Key West

Great Whites are by far the most scariest but, Tigers, Bulls and OWT by far pose the most danger and are the most deadliest simply by the nature of their hunting tactics.

That being said, what a beautiful fish they be
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I saw a program a few years ago on the bull shark. It was stated that the males had the highest measured testosterone level of any animal ever recorded, including bull elephants when in musth and 17 y/o male humans (;-D), thus explaining their extremely aggressive nature.
I love how it gets mentioned how sharks don't like human flavor. Who cares? The sample spoon taste they take is devastating anyway.

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Re: Great White spotted near Key West

TE,

My research involves the ecology, evolution, and biomechanics of marine organisms. I have also done some work in wetlands delineation and restoration, and in estuarine and marine fisheries biology.

I don't interview marine biologists, I am a marine biologist. If you can't comprehend the difference, there is no need to continue this discussion.

BTW, Bruce Halstead has a very mixed reputation among actual marine biologists (and that's putting it mildly). He wrote some quite popular books, but is scholarship was always pretty sketchy. It was even sketchier in his biomedical "stuff" (see here).
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TE,

My research involves the ecology, evolution, and biomechanics of marine organisms. I have also done some work in wetlands delineation and restoration, and in estuarine and marine fisheries biology.

I don't interview marine biologists, I am a marine biologist. If you can't comprehend the difference, there is no need to continue this discussion.

BTW, Bruce Halstead has a very mixed reputation among actual marine biologists (and that's putting it mildly). He wrote some quite popular books, but is scholarship was always pretty sketchy. It was even sketchier in his biomedical "stuff" (see here).
Once again, anyone who does not agree with the slowBS'er has a sketchy background and reputation, how many times are you going to try to fly that BS? What I continually notice about the slowBS'er is that he thinks he is the only person on the earth with an opinion worth listening to, and only those who agree with him are found to be credible. Of course he is full of it, and he is slow, so we take pity on the mentally ill and mentally challenged and give him a pass on some things.

He is a source of some mild entertainment with his constant boasting about his credentials and abilities, too bad he is wrong about so much, so often.

He is just really a pitiful guy.
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