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Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

To Outbound.
I'm just trying to get the best boat as far as familiy long distance creuising is concerned. It doesn't matter who I am, the questions are still ligit.
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Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

grona- I'm going to drop out of this thread and suspect others will too. You seem blind to what others say. A conversation implies a two way communication. You obviously have not paid attention to any of the content of prior posts. Bye now.
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Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

Grona:
You have a lot to learn. You are full of opinions based on a paltry knowldge of yacht design. Take some time off SN and do some studying on your own.

For instance:
Of course the keel is fille with something heavier than aluminum. Are you joking? Do you really know so little? I like to call it "ballast". I'm hoping the name sticks. The ballast is in fact lead, 20,000 lbs. of it. How can you have a ballast to displ ratio if you don't have any ballast.

Of course the mast is keel stepped. Do you really think a deck stepped mast is better for an offshore boat.

I think you are all talk. Just talk. You simply do not know enough to be considered a good candidate for a design.

So be quiet, lurk and listen and maybe in time you will know a bit more.
If you get bored being quiet you could strike up a conversation with Brent Swain whe he gets back on.
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Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

Maybe he is Brent
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Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

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That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

No, Grone is not Brent. IPA's are not even close. Grone is definitely posting out of Sweden.
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Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

Brent welded together his own network out of scrap stainless.
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Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

While i agree that many of the production builders today build boats to a clientele that want a large floating condominium and therefore the only consideration is interior space there is a reason for this. The purpose of a yacht for the majority of people in the market for a new boat is essentially to have something that is akin to a cottage people often entertain at the dock on it they might take it out 1 or twice in a year never anchoring it but always visiting other marinas and they motor most of the way. For that use alot of the modern hunters and catalinas are built for there purpose. Beneteau is interesting because they have a first line which is much better built and has wonderful handling characteristics. You being from scandinavia however should know of Najad, sweden yachts and Hallberg rassy. These three builders build phenomenal yachts which have completed many circumnavigations, perform very well and are very well built. I personally own a rather heavy, boat with a decent ballast ratio and a very stout skeg hung rudder, however, because of advances in boatbuilding technology and engineering it is actually possible for a quality builder to make boats which are very strong and dont have awfully slow underbodys and rigs. If I had the money my ideal boat for the same purposes as you would be a hallberg rassy. I know my next boat will be one of there older models. Also the colin archer boats often had comparatively bad ballast ratios since you seem to make that a very important point to you alot of the older full keeled boats have barely over 30 percent ballast and often in less dense ballast such as iron which is ok but not as god as lead or iron and concrete which is definitely not ok.
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Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

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Where we agree is that the smaller boats that I see coming out of Europe seem to be moving in the direction of open class style race boats, and I don't see that as a positive....,
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Jeff, all styles of cruisers are coming from Europe.

If you want a boat based on a solo open boat, with its advantages and disadvantages, you can take your pick. If you want a boat on the modern IMS/IRC live of hull development, with its advantages and disadvantages you can take your pick. If you want a boat based on classical or traditional lines, you can take your pick.

For any type of boat you have plenty of options. It is up to you to find out what sailing and cruising characteristics are more up to your desires, tastes and personal needs.

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Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

There was some speculation on Mr Grona Hissen, who he is and so on. Well, I have no idea, but I have some knowledge many of you do not have: swedish.

Grona Hissen is refering to Gröna Hissen, which in its turn is a disgusting sweet, green drink (gröna = green).


Here comes a guy calling himself the name of a disgusting drink, claiming he wants oldfashion (simplistic) values in a boat. Somewhat inconsistent.

And no, no Brent. Not at all.

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