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jameswilson29 07-23-2013 07:31 AM

Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac
 
Dorade, a 1930 wooden 52' full keel S&S design corrected to 1st place in the fleet in the 2013 Transpac: Yacht Scoring - A complete web based regatta administration and yacht scoring program

Read the results and weep, all followers of the "Interesting Sailboats" thread!

On elapsed time, (that is real time) boat for boat, Dorade beat a Jeanneau 44 Sleeper, a Tripp 40 Sansari, and a Beaneateau 47.7 La Sirena !!! :confused::eek::laugher

Dorade is:
1. 80 years old;
2. Wooden;
3. a yawl; and,
4. Full/deep keel.

Again, like the "Classic Plastic Smokes the Fleet.." thread ( http://www.sailnet.com/forums/genera...ay-race-7.html ) wherein a 40-year-old Hobie 33 beat the living daylights out of some larger, modern boat show boats, is is just possible that all the advances in sailboat design and technology are merely incremental, and a good old boat can still kick arse in the right conditions?

Let's hear the excuses in support of the boat show boats!

Let's hear from those who say deep/full keel boats are slow!

Let's hear from those who say new, modern sailboats are faster in all respects!

BTW, Dorade, at 52' in length, has a beam of only 10'3", about the same as a modern 30' boat-show sailboat (no sugar scoop transom, aft shower or double berth under the cockpit!).

jameswilson29 07-23-2013 07:44 AM

Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac
 
Here is what a real sailboat looks like, Dorade under full sail:

JonEisberg 07-23-2013 08:43 AM

Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac
 
Fantastic, I love to imagine Olin Stephens is smiling, somewhere... :-)

There's a lot to be said for a mizzen staysail in a Transpac Race, however...

In other Old Woodies vs. Carbon Fiber Fantastics news, the 66' Gunboat PHAEDO was dismasted early on in the race... I'd guess the price tag on that rig alone was easily in the neighborhood of $200K...

Extremely fortunate no one was hurt, in that deal...

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jameswilson29 07-23-2013 08:54 AM

Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac
 
Ouch! Better try old-fashioned aluminum next time!

mad_machine 07-23-2013 09:22 AM

Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac
 
Dorade is a beautiful boat. I have known about her for a while and everytime I see a pic, I find myself drooling.

kjango 07-23-2013 09:33 AM

Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac
 
I have a wood 40' cutter with 10' beam & full keel built in 1932 . I've lost count how many times I've had folks on her under sail & hear I thought this old boat would be a tub or something to that effect . She moves right along .

jephotog 07-23-2013 02:03 PM

Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac
 
I saw Dorade a few months ago in a San Diego Harbor. We had a famous sailor on board that told us her story. I have always had an admiration for Sparkman and Stephens designs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jameswilson29 (Post 1063309)
Dorade

Let's hear from those who say new, modern sailboats are faster in all respects!

BTW, Dorade, at 52' in length, has a beam of only 10'3", about the same as a modern 30' boat-show sailboat (no sugar scoop transom, aft shower or double berth under the cockpit!).

Same beam and half as comfortable as a modern 30'.

No doubt Dorade is a beautiful boat and fast but the reason it won was on corrected time. If you really want to get the best bang for your buck on a S&S design I would suggest the Classic Plastic Dolphin 24 which won the Transpac Overall a few decades ago.

I think the previous discussion had some valid points in terms of being able to be competitive on a plastic classic. I doubt the purchase price, upkeep, comfort or cost to race of the Dorade is going to be any less than a TP52. Ar least with a Hobie 33 or J24 you are saving money on the purchase price with the ability to still be competitive.

While sailboat designs may come in slow increments over the last 80 years those small steps have added up to a huge leap. James if you have not been on a modern racing boat in 15 knots of wind, you owe it to yourself to at least experience it. You can then come here and say "eh, its not for me", but at least you might have a better understanding what 80 years of progress, carbon fiber and 10 or 100s of thousands of dollars gets you.

Given the once in a lifetime opportunity to race the Transpac I would be hard pressed to decide between racing on Dorade or a TP52. While either would be a great experience I would regret not having experienced the other.

SVTatia 07-23-2013 02:18 PM

Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac
 
Brilliant idea for ventilation down below - the boat pioneered it then, and she is still going strong - wow!

From Wikipedia:

Origin

The first appearance of Dorade boxes was on the Olin Stephens-designed Dorade, a yacht built in 1929 for ocean racing.[1] As originally built, the Dorade's vents led directly below, but this was found to allow water below, and the vents were modified in the early 1930s.

JomsViking 07-23-2013 02:34 PM

Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac
 
The following quote springs to mind:
Quote:

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than illumination"
-Andrew Lang

JomsViking 07-23-2013 02:35 PM

Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jameswilson29 (Post 1063332)
Ouch! Better try old-fashioned aluminum next time!

Or maybe even wooden (Sitka Spruce) as on Dorade?


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