Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related)
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree24Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 07-23-2013
jameswilson29's Avatar
Senior Smart Aleck
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 2,152
Thanks: 34
Thanked 70 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 6
jameswilson29 is on a distinguished road
Smile Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac

Dorade, a 1930 wooden 52' full keel S&S design corrected to 1st place in the fleet in the 2013 Transpac: Yacht Scoring - A complete web based regatta administration and yacht scoring program

Read the results and weep, all followers of the "Interesting Sailboats" thread!

On elapsed time, (that is real time) boat for boat, Dorade beat a Jeanneau 44 Sleeper, a Tripp 40 Sansari, and a Beaneateau 47.7 La Sirena !!!

Dorade is:
1. 80 years old;
2. Wooden;
3. a yawl; and,
4. Full/deep keel.

Again, like the "Classic Plastic Smokes the Fleet.." thread ( Cheap Classic Plastic smokes the fleet in 2013 Down the Bay Race ) wherein a 40-year-old Hobie 33 beat the living daylights out of some larger, modern boat show boats, is is just possible that all the advances in sailboat design and technology are merely incremental, and a good old boat can still kick arse in the right conditions?

Let's hear the excuses in support of the boat show boats!

Let's hear from those who say deep/full keel boats are slow!

Let's hear from those who say new, modern sailboats are faster in all respects!

BTW, Dorade, at 52' in length, has a beam of only 10'3", about the same as a modern 30' boat-show sailboat (no sugar scoop transom, aft shower or double berth under the cockpit!).
keforion and smurphny like this.

Last edited by jameswilson29; 07-23-2013 at 08:04 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 07-23-2013
jameswilson29's Avatar
Senior Smart Aleck
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 2,152
Thanks: 34
Thanked 70 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 6
jameswilson29 is on a distinguished road
Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac

Here is what a real sailboat looks like, Dorade under full sail:
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 07-23-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,009
Thanks: 0
Thanked 141 Times in 125 Posts
Rep Power: 5
JonEisberg will become famous soon enough
Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac

Fantastic, I love to imagine Olin Stephens is smiling, somewhere... :-)

There's a lot to be said for a mizzen staysail in a Transpac Race, however...

In other Old Woodies vs. Carbon Fiber Fantastics news, the 66' Gunboat PHAEDO was dismasted early on in the race... I'd guess the price tag on that rig alone was easily in the neighborhood of $200K...

Extremely fortunate no one was hurt, in that deal...



jameswilson29 likes this.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 07-23-2013
jameswilson29's Avatar
Senior Smart Aleck
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 2,152
Thanks: 34
Thanked 70 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 6
jameswilson29 is on a distinguished road
Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac

Ouch! Better try old-fashioned aluminum next time!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 07-23-2013
mad_machine's Avatar
Sea Sprite 23 #110 (20)
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Atlantic City, NJ
Posts: 3,200
Thanks: 5
Thanked 69 Times in 60 Posts
Rep Power: 3
mad_machine is on a distinguished road
Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac

Dorade is a beautiful boat. I have known about her for a while and everytime I see a pic, I find myself drooling.
__________________
Art Haberland
__________________

In the end all that matters is how fully you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things that did not belong to you -Buddha

__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 07-23-2013
kjango's Avatar
Wind and pie move my boat.
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 358
Thanks: 1
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Rep Power: 7
kjango is on a distinguished road
Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac

I have a wood 40' cutter with 10' beam & full keel built in 1932 . I've lost count how many times I've had folks on her under sail & hear I thought this old boat would be a tub or something to that effect . She moves right along .

Last edited by kjango; 07-23-2013 at 10:29 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 07-23-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Oceanside CA
Posts: 700
Thanks: 5
Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 13
jephotog is on a distinguished road
Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac

I saw Dorade a few months ago in a San Diego Harbor. We had a famous sailor on board that told us her story. I have always had an admiration for Sparkman and Stephens designs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jameswilson29 View Post
Dorade

Let's hear from those who say new, modern sailboats are faster in all respects!

BTW, Dorade, at 52' in length, has a beam of only 10'3", about the same as a modern 30' boat-show sailboat (no sugar scoop transom, aft shower or double berth under the cockpit!).
Same beam and half as comfortable as a modern 30'.

No doubt Dorade is a beautiful boat and fast but the reason it won was on corrected time. If you really want to get the best bang for your buck on a S&S design I would suggest the Classic Plastic Dolphin 24 which won the Transpac Overall a few decades ago.

I think the previous discussion had some valid points in terms of being able to be competitive on a plastic classic. I doubt the purchase price, upkeep, comfort or cost to race of the Dorade is going to be any less than a TP52. Ar least with a Hobie 33 or J24 you are saving money on the purchase price with the ability to still be competitive.

While sailboat designs may come in slow increments over the last 80 years those small steps have added up to a huge leap. James if you have not been on a modern racing boat in 15 knots of wind, you owe it to yourself to at least experience it. You can then come here and say "eh, its not for me", but at least you might have a better understanding what 80 years of progress, carbon fiber and 10 or 100s of thousands of dollars gets you.

Given the once in a lifetime opportunity to race the Transpac I would be hard pressed to decide between racing on Dorade or a TP52. While either would be a great experience I would regret not having experienced the other.
__________________
Jordan
West Wight Potter 14 "Lemon Drop"
Oceanside CA
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 07-23-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 296
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts
Rep Power: 8
SVTatia is on a distinguished road
Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac

Brilliant idea for ventilation down below - the boat pioneered it then, and she is still going strong - wow!

From Wikipedia:

Origin

The first appearance of Dorade boxes was on the Olin Stephens-designed Dorade, a yacht built in 1929 for ocean racing.[1] As originally built, the Dorade's vents led directly below, but this was found to allow water below, and the vents were modified in the early 1930s.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 07-23-2013
JomsViking's Avatar
Splashed
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 554
Thanks: 28
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 8
JomsViking is on a distinguished road
Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac

The following quote springs to mind:
Quote:
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than illumination"
-Andrew Lang
__________________
Watch great footage about the story of one manís slow odyssey around the UK:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 07-23-2013
JomsViking's Avatar
Splashed
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 554
Thanks: 28
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 8
JomsViking is on a distinguished road
Re: Eighty-year old wooden full keel boat beats new "Interesting Boats" in Transpac

Quote:
Originally Posted by jameswilson29 View Post
Ouch! Better try old-fashioned aluminum next time!
Or maybe even wooden (Sitka Spruce) as on Dorade?
__________________
Watch great footage about the story of one manís slow odyssey around the UK:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Interesting "Discussion" With The Admiral....When were you ready for a 50 mile trip? NewportNewbie General Discussion (sailing related) 30 12-09-2011 06:03 PM
Centerboard and "full keel" on the same sailboat - why? Northbeach Sailboat Design and Construction 9 04-06-2009 11:23 AM
Interesting, Chatem 33' Steel sloop "Driver" dnice Boat Review and Purchase Forum 1 04-20-2008 12:12 AM
"Blue Water Boats?" "Rescues" snider General Discussion (sailing related) 37 07-01-2007 11:21 PM
C270 Main Sail "stack Pack", Quick Cover", "lazy Bag" Install randy22556 Catalina 1 02-28-2007 12:53 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:32 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.