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I'm no racer but why would the navigator expect to end up running the foredeck ?

I realise on short crewed boats we all need to pitch in but if I signed on as navigator I'd not expect that I'd be in charge of raising and lowering sails. Assisting yes, in charge no.

Am I missing a salient point here ?

All in all however, I do find it hard to understand why the crew ever set sail. Like lots of us I've sailed on boats with very average equipment levels, been offshore with nothing but a log, depthsounder and vhf, blah blah blah. No other electronics at all but the skipper knew his stuff. Had he struck me as a borderline nutter then reaction is simple. Get off the boat and go home. Don't set sail. I appreciate the point re experience but I'm sorry, that is the kind of experience I can do without.
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There is SO MUCH WRONG here that I'm not even sure where to start...

You signed on as a NAVIGATOR on a downwind race having NEVER BEFORE flown a kite? Just exactly what were your qualifications to sign on as navigator to begin with?
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Wow, just WOW...

I think the mere fact that he actually confessed to that tells us pretty much all we need to know... :-)
Just one thing...as RDawg mentioned, I wouldn't take the "Navigator" moniker too seriously. You guys are assuming he sold himself as that. Did the 86 y.o. really sell herself as the pitman? Seriously?

Look, in my book, all this is the responsibility of the captain. Pure and simple. He chose his crew - and only 2/5's of them could sail, and he didn't like either one of them. He also took his boat and crew out woefully unprepared. Every bit of that was a bad call. And it's on him.

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Wow, just WOW...

I think the mere fact that he actually confessed to that tells us pretty much all we need to know... :-)
Basically, he's qualified to be a cab driver, and maybe as delivery crew.
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Sounds like this is one big cluster.......never mind. I agree, the captain is responsible for preperation and running the boat. In some ways it seems that he was not capable, and in some cases it sounds like the crew was not letting him. Who is right, all of our guesses mean nothing.

Bottom line for me. If the captain is shoving off on this trip without topping off the water tanks, I am stepping off as he does so. Being loud I can deal with, being stupid I can't deal with because he makes me stupid for going along with him.

The race experience was important to RD, but surviving the race should have been more important for him and his family. This inexperienced crew was just damn lucky that the weather they encountered was calms.
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smackers, I'm going to ask you when you last skippered a boat on a major passage?
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I'm no racer but why would the navigator expect to end up running the foredeck ?

I realise on short crewed boats we all need to pitch in but if I signed on as navigator I'd not expect that I'd be in charge of raising and lowering sails. Assisting yes, in charge no.

Am I missing a salient point here ?

All in all however, I do find it hard to understand why the crew ever set sail. Like lots of us I've sailed on boats with very average equipment levels, been offshore with nothing but a log, depthsounder and vhf, blah blah blah. No other electronics at all but the skipper knew his stuff. Had he struck me as a borderline nutter then reaction is simple. Get off the boat and go home. Don't set sail. I appreciate the point re experience but I'm sorry, that is the kind of experience I can do without.
On a four person crew, (can't count mom here), everyone needs to be able to do anything. In '10, I navigated an Andrews 56, and my day job was on the bow or the mast, except when it was my turn to drive. You have to make things work because you can't Cary food and water for the number of crew that you'd LIKE. you take whom you need, and work with it.
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smackers, I'm going to ask you when you last skippered a boat on a major passage?
In the engineering industry, we call this sort of challenge a disk-sizing contest. Iow, what do sailors call it?
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In the engineering industry, we call this sort of challenge a disk-sizing contest. Iow, what do sailors call it?
Arrogance...
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I think the mere fact that he actually confessed to that tells us pretty much all we need to know... :-)
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smackers, I'm going to ask you when you last skippered a boat on a major passage?
Never. Just crewed on a few minor ones. But I have my own boat now and will soon.

Regardless, that doesn't matter.

Either the skipper is the skipper...or he's not. You can't have it both ways.

You said it best here...

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On a four person crew, (can't count mom here), everyone needs to be able to do anything. You have to make things work because you can't Cary food and water for the number of crew that you'd LIKE. you take whom you need, and work with it.
This skipper didn't do that. He blew it.

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Can you give those of us that are not initiated an idea of how a
DSQ costs you $55K? I really have no clue as to the costs of the TransPac.
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