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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Okay - this is the best damn story I've heard in a VERY long time!!!!!

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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

The first temper tantrum was your cue to leave. There is absolutely no reason to stay aboard after that.
As you experienced, things go wrong fast and can get out of control fast, good or bad crew.

Please learn from this, you can point fingers at the crazy people, but you stayed aboard. if there is a next time, leave and don't look back.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

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The first temper tantrum was your cue to leave. There is absolutely no reason to stay aboard after that.
As you experienced, things go wrong fast and can get out of control fast, good or bad crew.

Please learn from this, you can point fingers at the crazy people, but you stayed aboard. if there is a next time, leave and don't look back.
EXACTLY...

Particularly ironic, that this story comes from one who - through the various 'Bluewater vs. Production Boats' threads that routinely occur here - has maintained that the choice of boat matters little for offshore passagemaking, instead it's all about the CREW... (grin, bigtime)

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I would suggest you continue to read and read and then read some more. It will soon realize that it is not the blue water boat that is important in crossing the pond. It is the sailor who knows how to sail blue water.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Rocky,
Glad you lived to write the tale.
Sounds pretty horrible.

Waiting patiently for next installment.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Can't we get the rest of the story before we get all heavy with the conclusions?
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

is there a fresnel lens involved? or poodle ranchers?
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Holy Aquari-tantrums, Batman!!

OK, I totally realize that this is "armchair quarterbacking" (or navigating, or whatever), but...

1) If there is friction among the crew before you even leave the dock, it should be a HUGE red flag. The tension of being away from land and in close quarters is bound to only magnify such friction.

B) If the owner/skipper has the boat nowhere near prepared, and is skimping on basics like jack-lines, for a 2000+ nm passage (much less a race) you should be way beyond red flags and in the shooting off of flares territory (or "Help Mr. Wizard, I don't wanna be a TransPac sailor anymore!!!" territory).

III) If you say the magic words "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday" the USCG is obligated to respond and at least come check things out. If the skipper/owner was truly putting you and the others in mortal danger, it might just be time to call in the calvary (granted, I wasn't there, but the story is sounding pretty close to that "mortal danger" threshold to me), or just hog-tie "Capt. Queeg" and sail the damned boat yourself to Hawaii. Either option is gonna force you to do some serious "splainin' " once you get to dry land, but if there is real doubt as to whether you're gonna' get to dry land under the circumstances as they are, it's probably worth it.

In any case, I'm gonna nuke some popcorn and get ready for the rest of the story.....
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

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EXACTLY...

Particularly ironic, that this story comes from one who - through the various 'Bluewater vs. Production Boats' threads that routinely occur here - has maintained that the choice of boat matters little for offshore passagemaking, instead it's all about the CREW... (grin, bigtime)
I'm not sure I follow the logic on this post. Sounds like RockD and this Jake guy (i.e. - the crew) were the only reason that boat made it anywhere near HI.

I looked up the details and they abandoned the race in last place with 300 miles to go. I can't wait to hear part 2.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

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Holy Aquari-tantrums, Batman!!

OK, I totally realize that this is "armchair quarterbacking" (or navigating, or whatever), but...

1) If there is friction among the crew before you even leave the dock, it should be a HUGE red flag. The tension of being away from land and in close quarters is bound to only magnify such friction.
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True enough, but to fair on poor 'ol Dawg, it's not uncommon for the pressures of race prep for a major race like the TransPac to cause some level of "pre-race tension" that one might expect would settle out after the yacht was headed west.

One obvious lesson out of this is to insist on the whole boat getting out for a 'shakedown' preparation sail a few days beforehand so you can gauge how you all work together and iron out any 'issues' with the boat (in fact some of our major races include one or two harbour races beforehand to encourage exactly this) - and bail in plenty of time if you have to - but all too often there simply isn't time, and in that case you simply hope this will never happen...

FWIW, I've yet to be convinced you could legitimately call a "Mayday" in this situation even if you had access to a radio, but it'll be interesting to see what others think.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Part 2 will be interesting, as I noticed the boat is NOT at the finish line in hawaii! but on the BIG island to the south, not at the finish on the northern island...............oh boy! the phun is just beginning!

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