I am a commercial pilot, but have never flown a 727 in my life.
So if some random 727 flying airline wants me to be a copilot and the pilot has NEVER FLOWN ONE EITHER and is NUTS, you might admire my native flying skills for getting the thing to Hawaii in one piece, but my judgement would be terrible for not jumping right off and running away in the first place
I suspect J.E and I share bit of the same kind of offshore experience and this trip screamed DISASTER from the first paragraph compared to what a "normal" offshore trip is like.
Again, the problem with your premise here, in relation to this particular story, is that you are assuming a lot. Jake was listed as having a bit of experience - at least in terms of his CG rating. Could he drive with and/or fly a spin? Seemed like it according to the story. But, unless you absolutely know the answer to that question, your premise begins to fall apart - and that decision becomes harder.
Things were more complex than you want to make them. That's all I'm saying.
No ones got a pudgy for Rock. The skippers weaknesses are obvious. However you seem to want to be an apologist for Rocks choices and behavior.
You went so far as to try and denegrate the Captain with one of 48 reviews of his business from the Yelp site. The worst one as a matter of fact, and it wasn't representative of the other 48 reviews at all. Why did you do that. Why did you cherry pick that skewed review?
Sigh. Chef, you do get tiresome sometimes. I didn't cherry pick anything. That would require effort. As clearly shown in my post, I pulled that from the thread at SA. And I did so because it seemed to back-up the personality portrayed in the story. That's it.
So I didn't "denegrate" [sic] - anyone
. No big conspiracy dude.
Have you researched Rocks evaluations from his employees, they are available and aren't very kind. Seems like you are ok with presenting a one sided view here
I've seen some of the stuff. But I'm not into outing people like that. You seem to have that market cornered, considering it your job to protect the sailing world by calling CG commanders and sending posts to people looking for crew whom you don't approve...
Lastly, one thing you are correct about, should I know or see you posting for delivery jobs etc anywhere I will feel it is my obligation for safeties sake to forward this posting to them. Hopefully when they Google search your name it will now appear.
I just don't roll like that.
Look, I'm just following the story as it plays out across the forums. Why? Because as I said very early on here - and with my first post at SA...it's a hell of a story. That's really all I care about. Seriously.
You're right, we have no knowledge of how he or the skipper presented themselves and their qualifications to one another, or what sort of understanding they had...
That's really my main point.
However, back when I was a kid fresh out of college and looking to do some offshore racing, and walking the docks prior to the LA-Mazatlan, Chicago-Mac, and Marblehead-Halifax races wearing my 'Crew Available' tee shirt, there was simply no freakin' way I would have solicited a berth on a boat without having a fair amount of experience flying the sort of chutes and bloopers common at that time... Now, maybe that's just me... And, while I can't offer proof of that, or document it, I can assure you - that is a FACT... :-)
My problem is with your notion that to even ask
to crew a TransPac without Experience A, or Qualification Y, or whatever, is "heresy". That's BS. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking. Ever. It's THE SKIPPER'S
job to do some due diligence and say "yes" or "no" to that ask...for all the reasons you mention above.
By your focusing on the crew's "presumption" (this is what I meant about your "uppity hyperbole"), you're actually fostering a more dangerous situation, deflecting the responsibility from the skipper. You should absolutely focus the perfectly valid ire you have been laying out in your posts ON THE SKIPPER
. It's ALWAYS his call - not the crew's - as to who gets on his boat. This skipper blew it in every regard. So put the hammer where it's due.
That's all I'm saying.
As to the veracity of any of this sorry tale, I'd say the jury is still out on that one... To many experienced racers, and the folks over at Sailing Anarchy, it smells like BS, so who knows what is the truth here...
If you look back at the start of this thread, when everyone couldn't wait for Part II, and some were already pronouncing the story 'epic' and 'best story ever', I was among the first to express my 'doubts'... In retrospect, I'd say I was pretty restrained compared to what followed, pretty much limiting my characterization to certain elements of the story - the encounter with the SWIFT, for example - as simply sounding "implausible"... :-)
I have no idea if it's "true". Several things seem to back up the general thrust of the story. But honestly, I don't give a damn if it's true or not. As I said above (I'm one of the ones you're quoting) I just think it's a damn good story...epic even. And I'm all about good sailing stories.
I'll admit, however, the tide turned for me when the talk started up about him bringing a lawsuit against the skipper for the "mistreatment" he suffered... Sorry, that's when the gloves came off for me... The ocean, and the sport of yacht racing, has no place for the sort of Whiny B*itches who probably shouldn't have been out there to begin with... :-) I could care less what he chooses to do, whether he had a pleasant trip or a miserable one, but that sort of nonsense is the kind of thing that could ultimately affect us all, or the proud legacy of of a race as grand as the Transpac...
Again, this is precisely why your ire should be directed at the skipper. His poor decision-making - as a participating TransPac skipper - that led to this fiasco will have a far greater affect on the TransPac itself and even "sailing/racing at large" than some litigious crew-member who couldn't fly a kite.
Originally Posted by SalNichols94804
Morning light...a perfect example of having an incredibly talented crew each with their own egos coming together for a common goal. Kind of what you'd expect when Roy (rip) is providing you the best sailors on the planet as mentors/coaches.
I thought it was all about the Whomper.