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Maybe on your boat. In heavy air and big waves my boat is a very big handful for 2 people under chute. I singlehand under chute all the time too, so it isn't like I don't know how it works



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Heh-heh. Man I love the smell of napalm in the morning!
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Maybe on your boat. In heavy air and big waves my boat is a very big handful for 2 people under chute. I singlehand under chute all the time too, so it isn't like I don't know how it works

You're lucky Sal wasn't on that boat Mister!

PS - Isn't coming in DFL against the RRS as well?


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Smackers, until I get an answer on the water question, I'm reserving judgement. That boat should have been able to sail during the hours of darkness under a poled out jib and maintained 6-7.5 kts. Insisting that the kite be flown by someone who couldn't was asking to lose sleep. It's the Aloha Class, take the night off. Secondly, it doesn't pay for slow boats to wander around the Pacific chasing breeze, particularly when you're light on water (if they truly were). The Great Circle route is the shortest distance between LA and HON. Not only that, if you were really in trouble, you're only about two hours from being run over by a parade of shipping. Fast boats can take the jogs south because they can make up the miles by planing. Aquarius isn't that kind of boat. Neither were Dorade and Westward, and you didn't see them digging south. So Jake and RD are actually clueless when it comes to course selection. As for Harry taking that hitch north? That's what people do when they chase boat speed in light air. We call it "spinning out", and everyone knows not to do it, and we've all done it once. I'm just mortified by the absolute arrogance and self serving nature of these two. They didn't die, they weren't even close.

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Smackers, until I get an answer on the water question, I'm reserving judgement. That boat should have been able to sail during the hours of darkness under a poled out jib and maintained 6-7.5 kts. Insisting that the kite be flown by someone who couldn't was asking to lose sleep. It's the Aloha Class, take the night off. Secondly, it doesn't pay for slow boats to wander around the Pacific chasing breeze, particularly when you're light on water (if they truly were). The Great Circle route is the shortest distance between LA and HON. Not only that, if you were really in trouble, you're only about two hours from being run over by a parade of shipping. Fat boats can take the jogs south because they can make up the miles by planing. Aquarius isn't that kind of boat. Neither were Dorade and Westward, and you didn't see them digging south. So Jake and RD are actually full of crap when it comes to course selection. As for Harry taking that hitch north? That's what people do when they chase boat speed in light air. We call it "spinning out", and everyone knows not to do it, and we've all done it once. I'm just mortified by the absolute arrogance and self serving nature of these two. They didn't die, they weren't even close.
Okay - cool. That's the explanation I needed. Makes sense.

But taping the taps shut and hiding the bottled water? That's just freakin' psycho.


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Personally I hope he tells you to take your questions and go piss up a rope.

Whining pussies? Don't remember anybody whining to you ...perhaps you have them confused with one of your crew.

And personally I wouldn't have your overbearing ass aboard my boat for a beer at the pier let alone underway.

I would consider that perhaps they had a better go of it with Harry than to have been at sea with a shipmate with your attitude.

Now flame back at me. You seem to be highly qualified for that. Doesn't have to be now...perhaps after you finish showing Neptune his way around the Eastern Pacific.
Yeah, who are you again? You're right about one thing...they were much better off with Harry. I wouldn't have taken their (is b.s. ok?) for a minute.

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Okay - cool. That's the explanation I needed. Makes sense.

But taping the taps shut and hiding the bottled water? That's just freakin' psycho.
Clearly rationing was necessary...which could have been communicated differently then that, I agree.
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Okay - cool. That's the explanation I needed. Makes sense.

But taping the taps shut and hiding the bottled water? That's just freakin' psycho.
I wonder about the entire water issue. Most dirt dwellers and those who have not sailed/raced long distance use an extraordinary amount of water. Could it have been that the inexperienced crew were using way too much? Was the Captain taking steps to ensure adequate supplies in light of a slower then anticipated passage? Was the water conservation effort the only way the Captain could retain some control?

Too much weird stuff here....
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Maybe on your boat. In heavy air and big waves my boat is a very big handful for 2 people under chute. I singlehand under chute all the time too, so it isn't like I don't know how it works

Mine is similar, Baltic37, C&C design. I'll admit to fiddling about a bit to tame the beast. Deeper carbon fiber rudder, and asymmetrical kites, A4, A5, and a .5 and .75 symmetric. The a kites are the workhorses. Flown off the pole like a symmetrical kite, less rolling, and definitely less of a tendency to head the wrong direction. We only woke people up to change, douse, or gybe...though two up gybing the akite is simple.
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I wonder about the entire water issue. Most dirt dwellers and those who have not sailed/raced long distance use an extraordinary amount of water. Could it have been that the inexperienced crew were using way too much? Was the Captain taking steps to ensure adequate supplies in light of a slower then anticipated passage? Was the water conservation effort the only way the Captain could retain some control?

Too much weird stuff here....
Agreed. I'm in the middle of teaching my two young boys all about conserving water on the boat. You just have no clue until you get out there.

So, yeah, these are the primary questions in my book. Because as I said above, the water issue is where an actual threat to life potentially existed. And wherever the negligence for that threat lies is where the actions taken in this story are either justified or not.

From all accounts, it's easier for me to believe the story than assuming that Captain Furious was being as responsible as you lay out above. After all, he apparently left the dock for a SLOW 2K run without making sure the tanks were sufficiently full.


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