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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Responsible or irresponsible hard to tell on this one. However, in light of diminishing supplies something had to be done by somebody. Maybe there was enough and it was just part of the "survivor" type game being played out. What say you tribe?
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

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Agreed. I'm in the middle of teaching my two young boys all about conserving water on the boat. You just have no clue until you get out there.

So, yeah, these are the primary questions in my book. Because as I said above, the water issue is where an actual threat to life potentially existed. And wherever the negligence for that threat lies is where the actions taken in this story are either justified or not.

From all accounts, it's easier for me to believe the story than assuming that Captain Furious was being as responsible as you lay out above. After all, he apparently left the dock for a SLOW 2K run without making sure the tanks were sufficiently full.
Therein lies the rub eh? I would have departed with 80 gallons, split p&s just to be safe. (I had all 75 of mine in three bladders all on stbd). I would have disabled all of the showers and pressure water pumps though. Foot pumps only. Harder to waste water and easier to monitor use.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Almost every post in this thread make me happier that I neither race, nor sail with ANY of the knuckleheads who have posted here. It's pretty obvious that the entire line-up on that boat (Skipper, crew, and 86 y.o.) constituted its own "Perfect Storm" for a 2000+ nm passage; although I still think special attention has to be paid to the skipper's shortcomings. But I think we all need to take a deep breath and tone it down a notch (or three, or five). How about concentrating more on constructive criticism, rather than name-calling and chest-thumping?

Whatever happened to sailing as a nice relaxing pastime?
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Or maybe strategies to deal with the myriad events that happen out here?
Easy to identify the faults after the fact. Solutions en enroute for this group? Not So.

I"m not a knuckle head either....
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Manual pumps for water are definitely a good idea, even on standard cruising boats. I keep my electric pump off at all times unless it's being used. It's too damned easy for a fitting to let go and dump all your fresh water in the bilge before you know it. I have a wrist band attached to the water pump switch. Anyone using the pressurized water system puts the clunky wrist band on, me included. The water switch needs to stay OFF. The use of bottles, manual pumps for salt water (on my to-do list), even pails of salt water below for things like dish washing are ways to save the precious fresh water. I can understand Harry taping off the faucets but taking the fuse out or just switching off the water circuit would have accomplished the same thing.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

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this is the real world and not everyone agrees or feels sorry for you.

The funniest thing I've read on this thread. There seems to be a few who really believe this is the real world because they are getting pretty worked up.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

All I can say is if they hit the kind of weather I have had to contend with offshore they would all be dead.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

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All I can say is if they hit the kind of weather I have had to contend with offshore they would all be dead.
I dunno. RD can come across as an idiot on the forum sometimes (some of the things he doesn't know are surprising to me). But my sense is that he is probably pretty capable. He certainly proved to be an asset in getting this boat into port safely (IMO). I admire his willingness to do it under less than perfect circumstances (and when it is someone else's boat it is always less than perfect).

But yeah - the absence of any weather issues is pretty notable. Damn -- that woulda been an even better story!
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

In really bad stuff you'll need teamwork with people that trust each other and know each other's moves.

Handling a really dangerous situation with a divided crew that does not trust, like, or respect each other *AT BEST* is a nightmare I would never want to experience.
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