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This whole water kerfuffle mystifies me. The boat in question tips the scales at about 10 tons. Somehow I really SERIOUSLY doubt that filling the tanks would have made much of difference in her performance. I think the skipper just forgot to top them off before he left. He sure doesn't seem to have put a whole lot of thought into much else (like a decent sail inventory, organizing a shakedown cruise or two, making sure that HE knew how to fly a spinnaker, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera).
It does affect trim... quite a lot... and if you're in race mode, you certainly don't want to carry water in the wrong place if you can help it at all because, depending on where the tanks are located, it can definitely slow you down.

Never mind the water, I've known people to shift their entire engine and drivetrain a couple of inches forward or back just to get the balance right.. and then use Velcro tape to hold up ceiling linings just to save the weight of screws.

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Finally, how is "Skippy" going to get his boat back to SoCal? Is Chef gonna crew for him?

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Chef (and Sal),

Why does this make you so mad? What's the nerve they hit?

Your ire is up so high that you've even stated that you're willing to try and sabotage RD's future crewing prospects (but curiously not the sushi chef's) in the real world for what he's posted here.

RD has done nothing to you. Neither did the sushi chef, and you weren't anywhere near what has transpired. You are witness to the telling of a story, not the grand judgement of St. Peter.

Seriously, are you willing to share what is is about this that bug you so much? Can I buy you enough strong rum drinks to calm that nerve that's been struck?


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I think your reading an emotion into my pst that isn't there. It may appear that I am mad, but I am not at all. I have nothing againt RD personally and have given him credit for beginning to obtain sailing experience on his trips.

In addition I fing great fault with the Captain and his ultimate responsibility. However he is not posting here and whining and trying to shift blame from himself, nor is he threatening to sue


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We seems to have two basis for emotions here.

1. Those who feared for their life on a boat in the middle of the Pacific.

2. Those that can't control themselves reading a story on a computer screen sitting in their living room.

Which sounds like the bigger woosie.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Funny thing was everyone was worried about rafting up and no one saw the waterspout but me. I was like "Hey guys, why don't we unraft right now" and everyone wanted to know why so I pointed aft and the crew action sped up a LOT

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Well there you go. And as LetsGo called it in and got the verbal ruling which fits the above...what's the issue?

"Even More DFL". Best thing to come out of this thread yet.

PS - Coquina, this is an insane photo:



We had a similar thing on our old boat on Lake Travis:



Not quite as nasty looking as yours!

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Manual pumps are by no means failsafe, however... Especially, foot pumps that can get inadvertently stepped on or kicked in boisterous conditions...

I know a guy who had to abandon their Pacific Cup race about 700 miles out, after someone accidentally cracked the plastic/nylon housing on a galley foot pump, and allowing most of their water into the bilge before anyone noticed... I was a tough call to quit, they still had plenty of emergency rations in bottles, but the right one...

Good on them, they came back and won their division in the next edition of the race...

It's a good practice to keep a pressure water pump off when not in use, of course - but I don't worry too much about the integrity of my system... I always keep one of the two FW tanks shut off at the tank anyway, so worst case scenario I'll only lose half of what I have aboard... That's one of the few advantages of a shallow bilge like mine as well, even the most modest loss of FW will show itself immediately on my boat...
I only have one large tank, built right into the hull. It's very low, right above the keel, which is good for stability but it'ss not easy to check for water level. I have a counter-level hand pump which is the main pump when out cruising. For drinking water, I carry three 5 gallon containers which get filled with known good water. Replaced the old Jabsco noise-maker with a new centrifugal pump which is so quiet that it could drain the tanks and I'd never hear it running. For emergency supply, kept in the ditch bag, I have a manual reverse osmosis unit. IMO, a necessary gadget to have on any boat going far from shore.

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The whole water bit seems to be their main sticking point. Yet, from the description (i.e., Jane taping up the faucet & hiding the bottled water, complaints about only getting 1.5L of water a day), I was left with the impression that they were acting like rebellious teens trying to sneak water above and beyond whatever they were being rationed. Which, in turn, begs the question, if they were so worried about running out of water, why were they trying to sneak extra water? Idunno. Maybe it's just me but the logic seems rather circular.
If it's hot and you're doing the kind of strenuous work often required on a sailboat, 1.5 l of water is not nearly enough. Is that what this "captain" planned for? It isn't even enough if you're sitting on your butt doing nothing. Water is a CRITICAL issue. Keeping hydrated is a long-known critical factor in any sport. Planning to deprive crew members of adequate water is ludicrous.
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If you go over to the SA site under the title of "86 year old in the pit" there is a picture of the boat with Shirley. I get the feeling that she may well have been the most competent person aboard that boat and her telling the "story" may well be the most accurate. I still don't get the need for a "film crew", but who knows the reasoning?
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No way I have better judgement than to get on a boat for 2000 miles with the Captain.

Just saying.

Do not extrapolate my comments about Jake's and RD to mean I think this Captain is anything but incompetent. Had he had crew with experience it would compensate somewhat, but we know that didn't happen with difficult results


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Replaced the old Jabsco noise-maker with a new centrifugal pump which is so quiet that it could drain the tanks and I'd never hear it running. .
This is a serious potential problem for sure. We made sure that our pressure pump is loud enough that we can hear it.

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