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agreed, how someone to just take as much as they did for so long is beyond me!
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Pictures of rodents....whatever floats your lame arse boat?
One thing that has attracted many of us to sailnet is the good nature and fun that the site has in the VAST majority of the threads. Great information, and some good laughs to go along with it. In fact, as a participator (and mod at times) on many forums, this tends to characterize the ones that are popular and stick around.

I have waded through the pages and pages of personal attacks on this thread because I am actually interested in the possibility of racing in the future, on others boats as well as my own. Otherwise, this thread would be unbearable due to the endless vitriol.

Not taking sides either, it has been going in both directions at times for sure. But going after the Wombat?
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One thing that has attracted many of us to sailnet is the good nature and fun that the site has in the VAST majority of the threads. Great information, and some good laughs to go along with it. In fact, as a participator (and mod at times) on many forums, this tends to characterize the ones that are popular and stick around.

I have waded through the pages and pages of personal attacks on this thread because I am actually interested in the possibility of racing in the future, on others boats as well as my own. Otherwise, this thread would be unbearable due to the endless vitriol.

Not taking sides either, it has been going in both directions at times for sure. But going after the Wombat?
He's new. Maybe he didn't understand the significance of the wombat and the thread drift. Cut him a break on that.


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He's new. Maybe he didn't understand the significance of the wombat and the thread drift. Cut him a break on that.
Ok, good point. Thread drift is part of the fun on sailnet that is for sure.

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Really now!!

How low can you stoop Steve. Just because he differs in opinion from you doesn't mean the ridicule card needs to be. Did you forget and mean that post for SA. Oh ok I get it now, you'll say you were only joking...lighten up.

How can you ridicule this posters experience when you dont even know him.

Do you have " ocean race " experience or is it even be less than Harry's and more than likely a SN certificate. I think even Harry was in races to Puerto Vaharda not just hanging out in the Gulf.

For those who think i have it in for RD and its personal read this. I don't like his style, and many other things, but I have to give him credit because he has done more than pontificate himself on the Internet. He has attempted at least by action to go forward and do many blue water cruising than many of us in the last couple of years.

This time he tried to step his experience up a notch and had he done it correctly and he had allied himself with an experienced crew like Sals or Randolf who posted earlier, he woud have gained huge experience as well as had a much different post. I actually was looking forward to reading his postings as I think many here were when he posted he had figured a way to defer the deposition for a chance to crew in this race.

We can learn from his mistakes. He should have waited and listened to the voice on his shoulder when he got there that said, nope this isn't the right situation, not only will I not learn, but I might be in danger. There is a huge difference in what he found and getting in with an established race crew.

I raced in Annapolis for many years and it took a while to get a permanent ride and crew on the same boat. I was willing to pay my dues to learn from racers who had many years experience. Part of that became a safety/ trust thing as we knew each other. From that I was asked to be part of a crew for a few Annapolis to Newport, Newport to Bermuda, Marblehead to Halifax, races as well as a Carribean 1500. Racing and passage making are two different things. The racing was dangerous enough without the added burden of not knowing the crew or Captain. These races are nothing like the Transpac either as they can gt to land in a few dys if needed not 1000 miles in the Pacific from and in the middle of the race.

His step into that arena was to large a one and in his zeal to gain more knowledge he compromised some of the obvious red flags going with the ilk of Harry presented to more experienced racers who have presented themselves here in this post. While commenting strongly on his voyage has won me little friends ( who cares) RD, his premise for gaining the experience is good, but he needs to back down his ego some and get involved with a good established crew to get it. Racing experienced is invaluable, and ocean racing even more so in learning how to passages make as well as sail and boathandling. Most cruising you don't push the boat nearly as hard as racing.

For you to ridicule this mans racing experice in light of your lack of it is not very funny.
Ahhh, no worries man. I've never posed as a rockstar, I'm just a fairly experienced ocean racer and HI passagemaker. I just know how to prep boats for these races, I know the ORC Cat 1 and 2 regs by heart, and I know how we provision them. I tried to explain how we do it and the logic behind it, only to be declared criminally negligent. All I can tell you is that I've successfully delivered crews to and from HI with all of their bits, and with no one dying of thirst using this logic. I really have nothing to prove.

The only reason that I even posted here is because I believe in the sanctity of the position of captain. As crew, I do whatever I can to make sure that you're successful, and I try to make you look good doing it. If I don't think I can be successful, I don't even step aboard. I've tried to explain this, but for a few exceptions, I seem to hold a largely unique opinion.

As for the insult: I didn't know it was a wombat, and I didn't realize it was a religious symbol. My apologies.

I've said my piece.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

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Whoa there, Big Fellow. Marsupials HATE being called "rodents". Just ask this guy:

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Yeah, how dare some people not buy into the pissing match and express some humour in reply to a moderator warning. One might even get the impression that SailNet is also about mateship and good humour, not just about who has the largest tackle.

Christ, and here I was thinking the most sanctimonious ass-hattery was limited to the political sub-forum
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Ok, I just saw he change his avatar and I don't know about you but, it's going hard taking a verbal beat down by a guy wearing a bikini seriously

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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Among the vitriol some wisdom has been imparted.
Before a race/ passage know your fellow crew/ captain. Know their skill set and personalities.
Don't attempt a long race/passage without some level of experience with all members ideally on that boat.
Survey the prep of the vessel. If any of the above doesn't meet your standards walk.
Keep in mine Sal's chilling tale of the 6m loss. Waviors may be of no benefit as " one cannot give up ones rights".
Personally, I've learned a lot when other people do walk throughs on my boat. The point about Bermudas especially the m to b being a whole different kettle of fish then a transpacific is key. Think folks will under provision when racing and push harder leading to more equipment failures. However the sea is the same so passage making has the same issues. Thats maybe why you see so many husband/ wife teams refuse additional crew even on long hops.
Curious what other people put in their sea bag before setting out.

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No wonder Perry doesn't miss this place.
I believe you may be confusing Sailnet with another forum, Bob remains a pretty active participant, here...
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