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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

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Yeah, but there is a point where harry should have been hog tied, Jane as well. Those people were out of their friken minds. I, nor, any of us would of set foot on that boat. But, if I were there, harry would of been tied up and spoon fed 'till we arrived. The CG would of been notified of my actions and I'd challenge them in court with my head held high. These little racing games you guy's play do not give the skipper complete power, and as we know complete power can corrupt completely.
You know as well as I that those decisions should have been made before the lines were cast. You're a professional seaman, once you step aboard you'd do what I would: everything you could to get that passage ended safely and quickly. I also suspect that as a professional seaman you're more than capable of managing difficult situations without resorting to zip ties and duct tape.

But I know you've been tempted, right? Tell me if you'd ever work again if you used RD's tactics on one of your ships with a captain that was disagreeable.

Be honest now.
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You know as well as I that those decisions should have been made before the lines were cast. You're a professional seaman, once you step aboard you'd do what I would: everything you could to get that passage ended safely and quickly. I also suspect that as a professional seaman you're more than capable of managing difficult situations without resorting to zip ties and duct tape.

But I know you've been tempted, right? Tell me if you'd ever work again if you used RD's tactics on one of your ships with a captain that was disagreeable.

Be honest now.
If harry was as nuts, and jane as well, as RD say's. I could probably take legal control of the ship. Chances are their insanity was greatly exaggerated, but, if they were as nuts as I've been led to imagine, than ya, I would work again if I zip tied 'em. I can tell story's of captains being poisoned with visine till they where deathly ill. I know of crazy captains disapearing completely. And also sabotaged. We can make captains go from hero to zero in a hurry and we are treated with trepidation because of that. I joke with my captain that if he pisses me off I'll just put some cocaine or oxy in his coffee and demand a piss test because i think he is impaired. I would most def. have taken charge of that boat with a stern scolding and pure intimidation.
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My 28 footer has one 65 gal tank, one 50 gal tank I have 4 6 gal jerry cans and I bring about 8 cases of bottled water. and i have a hand pump de sal for emergency. It's all about water. and I stow nothing and I mean nothing above the water line.
Ok, I have 1 34 gallon tank, and I installed 2 26 gallon bladders, all on the starboard side. No room for Jerry's, and no room for all of the bottled water or trash that it creates.

We did have a pur survivor on board.

It's just a different mindset. We have to carry two anchors with 200' of rode, 1/2 b/l of chain. You won't find either of them in the anchor locker. They're stashed below by the mast. Weight is minimized. We give the crew a med size sea bag and tell them, if it doesn't fit, it doesn't go. We give ourselves 3-4 days margin on water, and we ration from day 1. We eat great for the first 7 days, then live on fish or sandwiches. We never hit the dehydrated food.

You might not have an appreciation for it, but in reality it isn't that different from what you do for a living. You're not exactly jerking off between ports of call now are you?
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If harry was as nuts, and jane as well, as RD say's. I could probably take legal control of the ship. Chances are their insanity was greatly exaggerated, but, if they were as nuts as I've been led to imagine, than ya, I would work again if I zip tied 'em. I can tell story's of captains being poisoned with visine till they where deathly ill. I know of crazy captains disapearing completely. And also sabotaged. We can make captains go from hero to zero in a hurry and we are treated with trepidation because of that. I joke with my captain that if he pisses me off I'll just put some cocaine or oxy in his coffee and demand a piss test because i think he is impaired. I would most def. have taken charge of that boat with a stern scolding and pure intimidation.
Well now, that's good to know.
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Ok, I have 1 34 gallon tank, and I installed 2 26 gallon bladders, all on the starboard side. No room for Jerry's, and no room for all of the bottled water or trash that it creates.

We did have a pur survivor on board.

It's just a different mindset. We have to carry two anchors with 200' of rode, 1/2 b/l of chain. You won't find either of them in the anchor locker. They're stashed below by the mast. Weight is minimized. We give the crew a med size sea bag and tell them, if it doesn't fit, it doesn't go. We give ourselves 3-4 days margin on water, and we ration from day 1. We eat great for the first 7 days, then live on fish or sandwiches. We never hit the dehydrated food.

You might not have an appreciation for it, but in reality it isn't that different from what you do for a living. You're not exactly jerking off between ports of call now are you?
In all honesty, I have some appreciation for some of it. And a lot of disdain for the rest. But I'm a paradox. I have no engine so no diesel, which gives me room for more water. I carry almost no crap, so i have room for great food and lots of water. I bath in salt water and rinse with fresh etc. On the tug we carry stupid amounts of water, 24,000 gallons of fuel and freezers full of steak and bacon. we wash clothes and take long hot showers. My personal boat is after all an old racer. I would'nt be caught dead on one of today's crewed racing boats.
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Time again for me to remind you skippers drinking at the bar that this boat got a "dnf".
They never crossed a finish line.
Who gives a sh!t who behaved badly. What are you all, a bunch of forensic sailors?

I will admit though that I found some of Sal's comments on how "scantily" ocean racers might provision their boats informing.

Learning about Jacuzzi cooked steak has just been a bonus.

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I will admit though that I found some of Sal's comments on how "scantily" ocean racers might provision their boats informing.
All of the ocean racers I've been associated with have been equipped completely differently, but one thing they did have in common is that all were, basically, giant sail lockers down below ie. no 'crew comforts' whatsoever.

Unnecessary bulkheads, bunks and fancy trimmings all gone. The only seat in the boat is attached to the chart table - for everyone else, if you want to sit down, go on deck. Most still had a head.. but there was always a bucket. The most comfortable berth on the boat was amongst the sails - but don't let the sailing master find you there or you'll get your butt kicked!
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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

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On that subject, Sal, where in the story do you come up with 18 days' worth of water? I don't see that stated anywhere.
I'm not Sal but...

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we had enough water to last us maybe 18 days.
Btw, and aside, here is a perfect example inconsistency from their stories.

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what with the underfilled tank (that had been Harry's responsibility to fill, and that we only found out when we were well underway he hadn't filled)
Regardless, based upon what these two wrote, the water bit sounds more like a folie à deux on the high seas.
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....If you were interested in anything but your own agenda, which is focused mainly upon being a dick........

.......You haven't earned the chops to criticize me.
Text book definition of tu quoque.
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Time again for me to remind you skippers drinking at the bar that this boat got a "dnf".
They never crossed a finish line.
Who gives a sh!t who behaved badly. What are you all, a bunch of forensic sailors?

I will admit though that I found some of Sal's comments on how "scantily" ocean racers might provision their boats informing.

Learning about Jacuzzi cooked steak has just been a bonus.

Sweet Baby Cheeses.
The whole point for me has never been about the finish line but only about who behaved how. Once you are at sea, as we all know, it doesn't matter WHY you are out there it's THAT you are out there that trumps everything else. Acting accordingly is what gets you home. The crazy behavior of harry and jane, if it was even close to accurate, would needed to have been dealt with. Attitude and anger out there can cause serious injury or death.
A jacuzzi cooked steak and some sweet baby cheese served on a bed sprouts on day 14 can sometimes be exactly what a crew needs for moral.
I love those little sweet baby cheeses, the ones that come in the little wax wrapper...
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