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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

"Other comments indicate Swift has made at least 66 knots on occasion, and the Wiki says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSV-2_Swift
"Swift returned to Incat at Hobart in July 2013 for refit for sale or charter.[6]"

The Wikipedia entry says she saw an apparent wind of 66 kts while retrieving a helicopter. As we all know, that doesn't equal speed through the water. If only it did, would make for some lively days in the slot.

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Yeah, but you do not rinse stuff and let the water run while doing it, not even on a cruising boat.

It is like letting the water run while brushing your teeth.

you turn on water
wet the brush
turn off water
brush
turn on water briefly to rinse mouth
turn off water.


simple.
I believe that for eyeglasses there may be some paper towels or kleenex involved too.

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You're knocking RD over seeing the Swift, but that video clip was from MAY about a prior deployment. The race was more than halfway into JULY (May, June, July...) and Swift is designed as a high-speed craft. Unclassified speed, 48 knots, according to the DoD.

MSC Ship Inventory - High-Speed Vessels (HSV)

Other comments indicate Swift has made at least 66 knots on occasion, and the Wiki says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSV-2_Swift
"Swift returned to Incat at Hobart in July 2013 for refit for sale or charter.[6]"

That's Hobart AUSTRALIA, conveniently across the path of the TransPac during JULY, when the race was running. Sorry, but that UFO citing checks out. Apparently Swift only spent two weeks in port swapping crews, like a nuke sub, and then checked out again. She was built in Oz, which is why she "returned" to Hobart.

Unless you think the USN and the Wiki are in on the conspiracy? The dates and times do check out. Sixty knots...damn that must be fun. :-)
Looks like I stand corrected, that's what I get for relying on a mainstream media report :-) The video I cited said she was returning to her homeport of Norfolk after her stay in Mayport, and I mistakenly presumed that meant for 'a while'...

However, I still stand by my skepticism first expressed back in Post #46 re RD's account of the encounter with the SWIFT, and the ease with which a ship of the US Navy was simply "sent away" by Harry, smells like BS, to me... :-)
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Looks like I stand corrected, that's what I get for relying on a mainstream media report :-) The video I cited said she was returning to her homeport of Norfolk after her stay in Mayport, and I mistakenly presumed that meant for 'a while'...

However, I still stand by my skepticism first expressed back in Post #46 re RD's account of the encounter with the SWIFT, and the ease with which a ship of the US Navy was simply "sent away" by Harry, smells like BS, to me... :-)
Wouldn't you think that if RD had made up any significant details such as the SWIFT incident, "Jane" would have gone to town on him for it?

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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

IIRC, groups go through several stages:
Forming
Storming
Norming
Performing
Transforming


Seems like this crew never got past the Storming stage.

Here are some more details on each step:


IMHO, a good skipper watches to see what stage the crew is at, even if it's just subconsciously. You can then work through the issues that are holding your team back.

There are more specifics (and written very well) here: http://joeypauley.com/leading-high-performing-teams

In the very limited eperience I've had looking for crew, I did phone interviews looking for something specific. Then we talked on the boat prior to departure, learning about each other, and covering safety scenarios. Of course this was for a 2-day coastal cruise, a much shorter trip.

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By the way, my personal favorite sayings for this are: "criticize behaviors not the person", and "politeness goes a long way". To me, those two guidelines help keep the stages progressing.

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Really, washing eyegalsses is a matter of life or death??? Come on... what that indicates is just the depth of petty b.s. to which they did sink, be it technicaly their prerogative to do so,.. it is still petty. And the fact that Jane brings it up herself shows me how incredibly blind she is to how something like that is perceived.

Guy is sailing to Hawaii with you for 2 weeks. Let him have a couple ounces of water to wash his glasses. He wasn't taking a shower.
Those were the rules of the boat. He abides by them or finds a different ride. If she said he had to wipe his butt with one square to conserve paper, then he better dang good and well wipe it with one square.

But in one hand he is worrying about the water, and in the other he is rising off his glasses in fresh water? Toss the glasses overboard. They aint required racing equipment.

On our boat, we often keep a sink with a bit of water in the bottom for little things like this (and also to collect water that can be used later in rinsing off plates or other items). If he just let it run down the drain, it makes you wonder??

Again, I am not saying that he did this. What I am saying is that it aint his boat it is his ride. On matters like this, I don't see why you dont just deal with it. This wasn't marriage for gawds sakes. It was a couple of weeks.

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I believe that for eyeglasses there may be some paper towels or kleenex involved too.
There could be lots of things involved....
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Eh, Mark? If they are incoherent, how can you figure out what they chose or said? By definition...you've just committed a Jane?
Jane is now a verb. Awesome!

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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

I read this thread with interest as in the early 1980's I used to do yacht deliveries from Maryland and Florida down to the West Indies. These were non stop trips that normally lasted 2 to 3 weeks. The boats I sailed were in the 37-41 foot lengths and we had a total crew of 3 including Capt. We had no auto pilot (shifts were 3 hrs on and 6 hours off 24/7). We never took showers, and only used the freshwater for rinsing dishes and cooking/drinking. Bottled water and Gatorade and not been invented yet (those are both terrible inventioins as they generate tremendous plastic waste). We also navigated only by sextant as GPS and chart plotters had not been invented. We only had a VHF (epirbs, sat phone had not been invented and SSB was too expensive) We did have a life boat on board.

When I did the yacht deliveries, I never met the Capt or crew prior to boarding the ship. After boarding and helping provision and ready the boat (took a couple days) we left. The Capt or crew never had a problem, in fact, we all had a good time.

Man times have changed....
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