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I just have to say this, because no one else has--

sailor is definately a noun, not a verb.

sailing is also a noun.
I was getting around to posting the definition of the word but I think we can take your word on it.
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I was getting around to posting the definition of the word but I think we can take your word on it.
Given the course this thread has taken, I'm not sure it's wise to take anybody's word for anything.
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And you allowed Rockdawg and Jake to do what....insult the owners Harry and Jane freely.....how about a little fair play and letting them defend themselves.

You allow Smack full reign with his sarcastic comments about Jane/ Harry.....why not allow them to be sarcastic back.

Whats good for the Goose....is good for the gander..

Jake...were still waiting for that movie Rockdawg promised?
Yea, but they were not members then.
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So how did Jake and Dawg save their lives? Were they in danger?
You're asking this because they could have gotten outside help, right?

Let's use a fun analogy...

You are strapped to a huge barrel of explosives, with a very long, slow fuse buring. It's a 6 hour duration fuse. When it gets to the barrel you die. You can't move or twist or get to the fuse. You look over and other loved ones are firmly strapped to the barrel too. They can't move or reach the burning fuse. You have a working cell phone. You believe that dialing 911 will get the police there in about 3 hours.

Are you in danger then? Does anyone in their right mind think otherwise? Yes, absolutely, you are in danger.

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Along comes someone else who stumbles across your plight, cuts the fuse, and releases you. Did he/she save your lives? Yes he/she did, just as surely as the police would be saving your lives otherwise.

--end of analogy--

Even slow danger is danger. Yes, Dawg and Jake saved the crew's lives. For them to say it's no big deal, that someone else (Coast Guard, Navy) could also have saved their lives would be ingratious at best.

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But Brad, the weatherman swore that there would be intense storms in three hours, four tops, so really, the only question is whether the fuse was waterproof, wasn't it?
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Even slow danger is danger. Yes, Dawg and Jake saved the crew's lives.
Uhhh, that seems like quite a stretch, to me...

George B's very considered and informed analysis of their track would not seem to support such an assertion... There appears to be negligable difference in their VMG towards Hawaii between 'pre-mutiny', and 'post-mutiny', after all...

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Smack, can you use your computer skills in reproducing for us the track’s from Yellow Brick? (link below) You might find the track very interesting. You can see that they were pretty much always below the rhumb line and pretty much the southernmost boat in their division. You can see pretty graphically that the wheels fell off at the halfway point. I suspect that this is about the time when reality and fatigue set in for the crew resulting in a series of really poor decisions being made. They probably lost a day here in their bickering and inability to set a single course. When they did their final course change to fetch Hilo, they were closer to Honolulu, albeit, the AP most likely couldn’t hold the deep wind angles required. Knowing that Tropical Storm Flossie was bearing down on the main island, why would they go there (impaired judgment from lack of experience?) Also, with water running short, wouldn’t you want to stay in the shipping lane if you needed help. Heck, RIMPAC is going on at that time and you can’t swing a cat without hitting a warship when you are within 500 nm of Pearl.

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Here is a picture purported to be Aquarius on another forum. I can't vouch for it, but I did a google search and its the right type of boat and fits the description.





http://www.pressure-drop.us/forums/c...ranspac-Mutiny

and this from facebook, apparently this is grandma waving--


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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

WOW! 95 Pages.......I think I'll wait for the mini series on HBO.....
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WOW! 95 Pages.......I think I'll wait for the mini series on HBO.....
You may not be that far off. Why the camera crew?


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Jake? You have some splainin' to do!

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Re: Mutiny at Dawn - Transpac Race 2013

Here's a short blurb from a crew member of another transpac 2013 boat.
This was a hard fought and well-earned victory for the Cirminal Mischief crew. The whole crew worked together and worked hard. No one had any ego, everyone pitched in- packing kites, grinding, making each other coffee or a snack, you name it. We gelled as a team and endured a 9 day long dog fight with two Rodgers 46's, two J/125's and an Open 50. Every morning when the navigator Brendan came up to brief us on our position, the report was the same, "we're in a dead heat, guys. we have to push 100%." So we did. We had some sail issues, failures and other little problems but we dealt with all of them impressively well, losing almost no time. I'll be doing a full write up in the next couple of days, maybe after the awards this Thursday.

Epic race with a great crew! Go the Criminal Mischief!
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Too bad Ronnie didn't write the more detailed post. However, I had a chance to chat with him regarding this year's race. He said the boat was designed for racing, not cruising, and was therefore quite uncomfortable. Add that dynamic to the stress of ocean racing, in general, and you have a situation that could have made the trip unbearable. Instead, he said it was quite invigorating. And, from my understanding, the crew worked together like a well-oiled machine. They came in first in their division, and importantly, now have another great memory to add to their life book. Pretty awesome, imo.
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