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aground vs hard aground

A few years my buddy and I found ourselves aground in the channel into Smith Island. We weren't getting off so he called TowboatUS for assistance. He told them he was hard aground and the dispatcher asked if he was on rocks. My buddy told him no and the dispatcher informed him that to be correct you were only hard aground if you were on rocks and in some danger of sinking. Otherwise you are simply aground.

Does this sound correct? I'm just curious.
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Re: aground vs hard aground

interesting question. I have always believed that one runs "aground" when one's keel is stuck in the bottom. if one is unable to free one's keel from the bottom under the grounded vessel's own power, if one requires assistance, then one is "hard aground."
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Getting stuck is running aground.
Remaining stuck is hard aground

I would think that if you were on rocks aground you would hardly be in danger of sinking.
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Re: aground vs hard aground

I always defined it as whether my boat was still moving or not.

Not moving at all equals hard aground.
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hard aground

I thought I remember seeing a phrase in the BoatUS tow polich about hard vs soft groundings. Also in term of salvaging vs ungrounding

I think you have to be careful which of these terms you use so you don't get into a "salvage" situation

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Re: aground vs hard aground

If you are on rocks and being trashed by surf, you might sink.
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Re: aground vs hard aground

To me, the difference is whether you can get back underway without assistance from another boat.

But tow services generally define it differently. A "hard grounding" to them is something that requires them to go above and beyond the normal service of tossing a line and pulling on it, and incurs additional fees. You don't really want to tell them you're "hard aground" - let them make that determination if they must.

Our local SeaTow guy likes to tell a story about a high-powered bass fishing boat whose owner had managed to launch it at least 100 feet ashore, then got upset when the recovery wasn't covered under his standard SeaTow membership. THAT's "hard aground."
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Re: aground vs hard aground

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aground in the channel into Smith Island
Yep, as all the watermen said on the VHF "another sailboater is aground in that same spot in the channel again". Been there done that. But I got one of them to pull me off.

How long did it take TowBoatUS to get to you?
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Re: aground vs hard aground

aground vs hard aground

I can lie about it vs we are stuck! Can't lie about this one.

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Re: aground vs hard aground

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I always defined it as whether my boat was still moving or not.

Not moving at all equals hard aground.
If you're still moving it's called "rubbing bottom".
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Re: aground vs hard aground

Kedging off on a rising tide will usually work.for you There are some conditions that require you to bend over and kiss your bottom goodby. Rocks are bad.
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