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US Boat in E.U?

Hello,

We are buying a boat in the South of France with the intention to keep it there.
I am looking into documenting it and sailing under US flag.

The boat has been imported into France and VAT has been paid.

My question is... Are there any restrictions on keeping a US flagged boat there indefinitely?

I am hoping someone with a similar situation might be reading the boards

Thank you.
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Re: US Boat in E.U?

Suggest you repost your query on the Seven Seas Cruising Association forum at:
www.ssca.org/forum ... do your posting on the "Destinations" sub-forum.

This is a fairly constantly occurring question there on SSCA; and, those who will reply will have the 'latest' info on the EU "Schengen Agreement" (Treaty), etc. obligations that governs this, including the problems/interpretations with the various countries vs. 'Schengen'. Get it wrong and it could be VERY expensive.
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Re: US Boat in E.U?

A non EU boat is limited in how long it can stay in EU. For some reason I think it's six months any twelve - not sure if that's current but there is definitely a limit. A lot of cruisers in the Med move in and out of the EU to keep legal but that is getting harder as more counties join.

Best to jump through the hoops to register where you are going to keep it, although residency requirements can be a pain - unless you are an EU resident it might involve a local agent or corporation. Also look into Jersey which doesn't have such strict residency requirements.

There have been a couple of threads on CF about where to flag a vessel.

Schengen applies to people, not boats but can be a PITA if you are a non EU citizen and want to spend extended periods in EU.
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Suggest you repost your query on the Seven Seas Cruising Association forum at:
SSCA Forum ? Index page ... do your posting on the "Destinations" sub-forum.

This is a fairly constantly occurring question there on SSCA; and, those who will reply will have the 'latest' info on the EU "Schengen Agreement" (Treaty), etc. obligations that governs this, including the problems/interpretations with the various countries vs. 'Schengen'. Get it wrong and it could be VERY expensive.
Thank you Rich, this is definitely something I do not want to get wrong
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A non EU boat is limited in how long it can stay in EU. For some reason I think it's six months any twelve - not sure if that's current but there is definitely a limit. A lot of cruisers in the Med move in and out of the EU to keep legal but that is getting harder as more counties join.

Best to jump through the hoops to register where you are going to keep it, although residency requirements can be a pain - unless you are an EU resident it might involve a local agent or corporation. Also look into Jersey which doesn't have such strict residency requirements.

There have been a couple of threads on CF about where to flag a vessel.

Schengen applies to people, not boats but can be a PITA if you are a non EU citizen and want to spend extended periods in EU.

I am actually a dual citizen (US and French) but living in the US.
It is possible for me to register over there, but The taxes on the boat every year are not particularly appealing...
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Re: US Boat in E.U?

If VAT has been paid, then the boat can remain in the EU indefinitely. An American, on the other hand can only remain in the EU for a continuous total of 90 days and must stay out for 90 before returning.
This is sadly in direct retaliation to the policy instituted by our government for EU citizens. Pretty hard to rationalize a trans-Atlantic crossing for 90 days in Europe. Then what, 90 days in North Africa? On an American flagged vessel? Doesn't appeal to me.
Sorry for the rant. Anyway, if VAT is paid, you should be fine.
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Re: US Boat in E.U?

We are US and been living aboard our US Doc boat in Spain/Portugal for years
I will explain more on how this can be done when I have time to compose
Beware of advice by those not doing this in specific locations
EU policy varies by country
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We are US and been living aboard our US Doc boat in Spain/Portugal for years
I will explain more on how this can be done when I have time to compose
Beware of advice by those not doing this in specific locations
EU policy varies by country
Thanks, I look forward to it. You can also PM if you want.
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If VAT has been paid, then the boat can remain in the EU indefinitely. An American, on the other hand can only remain in the EU for a continuous total of 90 days and must stay out for 90 before returning.
This is sadly in direct retaliation to the policy instituted by our government for EU citizens. Pretty hard to rationalize a trans-Atlantic crossing for 90 days in Europe. Then what, 90 days in North Africa? On an American flagged vessel? Doesn't appeal to me.
Sorry for the rant. Anyway, if VAT is paid, you should be fine.
That's what I have heard too but I cannot find anything concrete in writing.
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An American, on the other hand can only remain in the EU for a continuous total of 90 days and must stay out for 90 before returning.
This is sadly in direct retaliation to the policy instituted by our government for EU citizens. Pretty hard to rationalize a trans-Atlantic crossing for 90 days in Europe. Then what, 90 days in North Africa? On an American flagged vessel? Doesn't appeal to me.
Sorry for the rant.
I agree that it sucks but it is Schengen area not EU. So by alternating the cruising areas in the Schengen counties with the cruising areas in non-Schengen countries you can stay indefinitely. Current non-Scengen counties that might be of interest are Norway, U.K., Ireland, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania, Turkey, Malta and North African countries. You can usually get 90 easiliy in each non-Schengen country so with a bit of planning... 90 days in the Schengen zone - 90days in Croatia/Montenegro/Albania - 90 day Schengen - 90 days in U.K/Ireland - 90days Schengen - etc.

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