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Re: know it all ???

What matters most is common sense, problem solving, and decision-making ability, not years of experience.

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The real issue is that common sense is not that common.....
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Aaron and Bob are going at each other with...classical music??!!

I must be in some alternate SailNet universe.

I think I like it.
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I've raced at two yacht clubs that line a commercial river. The race courses, generally, cross the channel. That channel is the roadway for everything from small passenger ferrys to large ocean going freighters and tankers. The clubs both have extensive sailing instructions regarding sailing in and across the channel during races. And, instructions on dealing with the commercial traffic? Basically all those instructions can be summed up in one small sentence. "Stay out of the way!"

Included in the instructions are do not cross points. That is, if a ship is within these markers do not cross the channel in front of the ship. That goes regardless of your speed and the ship's. There are also instructions informing racers that there are cables between tugs and barges. These clubs have operated for decades without incident. The rules are enforced, so i'm told, with a heavy hand.

And, fortunately, the clubs have options in certain wind/current conditions to set courses that don't come near the shipping channel.

I mention this because the attitude displayed at both these clubs is anything but "We own the river." If anything, it is quite the opposite. A lot of respect is given to the commericial traffic.
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(he looked maybe 40 to me)
I knew everything about sailing when I was 40 from sailing the Pacific since childhood, unfortunately I've forgotten or abandoned most of that wisedom in the intervening decades and they keep coming up with new stuff.
I love to race or cruise, I crew for friends with very nice boats and deep pockets, nobody wears matching T-shirts unless it's a charity regatta and then those who can afford it buy them and make the boat's contributions for the crew.
You guys been hanging with the wrong rich sailor's, the best ones I know dress like old wharf rats and mingle right in amongst us common working folk.
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I've raced at two yacht clubs that line a commercial river. The race courses, generally, cross the channel. That channel is the roadway for everything from small passenger ferrys to large ocean going freighters and tankers. The clubs both have extensive sailing instructions regarding sailing in and across the channel during races. And, instructions on dealing with the commercial traffic? Basically all those instructions can be summed up in one small sentence. "Stay out of the way!"

Included in the instructions are do not cross points. That is, if a ship is within these markers do not cross the channel in front of the ship. That goes regardless of your speed and the ship's. There are also instructions informing racers that there are cables between tugs and barges. These clubs have operated for decades without incident. The rules are enforced, so i'm told, with a heavy hand.

And, fortunately, the clubs have options in certain wind/current conditions to set courses that don't come near the shipping channel.

I mention this because the attitude displayed at both these clubs is anything but "We own the river." If anything, it is quite the opposite. A lot of respect is given to the commericial traffic.
That's how it should be. I don't "hate' people who race, I do love picking on the snotty 30 something year old kids who are rude to my town folk. We all know the type. We have been cut off by many a race boat on their way back to Miami Beach Marina after a race while they were under power. They know they can scoot in front us, but they cut so close they disapear 'cept for the mast in front of the barge, it looks like we're about to hit them. That is usually when the engine will fail and disasters happen. I don't know it all but I know that.
80% of the cracks I make about "Racers" is with my tounge in my cheak. And as I said it's not towards people who enjoy racing, it is towards the fore mentioned crowd, which unfortunatly seems to be a lot of 'em.
I still think it should be a smash up race to the last man floating type sport, maybe we should start a league of X tream racing, I would even sail in a race like that.
The only rule being get there first.
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