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Re: Why do skippers yell?

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I think yelling has a purpose. I yell at my work crew if there doing things wrong. If you over do it, yelling has no effect. Coaches,generals or other people in charge yell. I also use yelling on my dog. Sometimes a low growl pitch to show I'm mad. Other time a high pitch for play. YOU CAN EVEN YELL WHEN YOU WRITE!!!!
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Re: Why do skippers yell?

It seems to me that most of the captains I see yelling on their boats (in anything less than a gale and then to be heard) are not in their "comfort zone". Though they may be very experienced, at that moment they may be a bit uncertain of the correct action that should be taken and since their voice lacks confidence, they over react by yelling.
In well over 30 years as a licensed captain and many more before that as owner/captain, I have learned that yelling is counter productive in any stressful situation, especially with inexperienced crew. A calm, confident and steady voice, conveying just the information necessary to accomplish whatever it is I desire done, gets a lot better results than yelling and berating the people who are trying their very best to get done what I am asking. If someone on a crew of mine deserves to be yelled at, then they most likely will not remain a member of my crew very long. A well trained crew needs only minimal conversation to carry out most tasks, so from "stand by to come about" to sailing on the other tack, the only other thing I believe I should have to say is "hard a-lee".
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Re: Why do skippers yell?

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I consider yelling a sign of weakness and insecurity. A quiet boat is often highly competent. ...
I think that's exactly right. I've been on several large research vessels. Captains and crews (boat crew, not research personnel) of such ships are almost always very experienced and very professional. The only time I can ever recall the Captain of such a boat yelling at anyone was when one of them caught a couple of students smoking a joint on and 80+ foot boat on a class day cruise.

On the other hand....
While I don't race, I have on many occasions heard racing skippers on nearby boats screaming at their crew, at other boats, at the wind....et cetera. Why? See above.
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Re: Why do skippers yell?

I just discovered another reason why skippers yell, when a new ratcheting 7/16th boxed end wrench decides it's too hot to work and goes for a swim and THEN doesn't bother to return.............the Lil sh*t
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Re: Why do skippers yell?

Yelling is a perfectly acceptable form of communication on a racing sailboat. Yelling is a way to be heard above the many other voices on the boat and to let someone on the other end of the line your needs should be prioritized. Its the screamers you have to worry about.
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Re: Why do skippers yell?

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Yelling is a perfectly acceptable form of communication on a racing sailboat. Yelling is a way to be heard above the many other voices on the boat and to let someone on the other end of the line your needs should be prioritized. Its the screamers you have to worry about.
Me feels this is a better way to put it. Yelling to be heard is ok, or to have the captain/skipper(me) which is reasonably deaf hear you.

Sometimes one has to YELL when a boat is coming on port, to make sure they know you are there and have rights as starboard boat. Or other rights on course, fouls, protests etc.

Swearing or other shall we say derogatory comments, should not be heard!

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Re: Why do skippers yell?

"Is there a certain personality type (that has high blood pressure ) that gravitates to sailboat racing?"

Yes.

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Re: Why do skippers yell?

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It seems to me that most of the captains I see yelling on their boats (in anything less than a gale and then to be heard) are not in their "comfort zone". Though they may be very experienced, at that moment they may be a bit uncertain of the correct action that should be taken and since their voice lacks confidence, they over react by yelling.
In well over 30 years as a licensed captain and many more before that as owner/captain, I have learned that yelling is counter productive in any stressful situation, especially with inexperienced crew. A calm, confident and steady voice, conveying just the information necessary to accomplish whatever it is I desire done, gets a lot better results than yelling and berating the people who are trying their very best to get done what I am asking. If someone on a crew of mine deserves to be yelled at, then they most likely will not remain a member of my crew very long. A well trained crew needs only minimal conversation to carry out most tasks, so from "stand by to come about" to sailing on the other tack, the only other thing I believe I should have to say is "hard a-lee".
We're talking yell here right? Berate is another topic entirely. I guess yelling can be looked at differently and is a fairly broad term. I figure yelling is for volume so one can hear you. If the op means berate then that is a whole nother story.
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Re: Why do skippers yell?

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As a few of us are pointing out, are we disCUSSing "yelling" to be heard across 30-50' of deck to give a command.......or are we disCUSSing the skipper the CUSS's, berates, says derogatory comments to crew etc?!?!?!?

I personally am seeing many of us describing "YELLING" in two different ways.

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Re: Why do skippers yell?

Screaming is seldom an affective racing strategy. Usually the screamers are screaming because his crew sucks because good sailors usually avoid his boat.

The best part of racing is being on a non screaming boat. Disappointment at the mark as your nemesis rounds in front of you then.... their spinnaker does not go up smoothly Your spinnaker goes up as planned and your slides past you hear the Captain screaming at his wife somewhere forward, her screaming back. If they were quiet they would hear the boats around them laughing as they pass them.


Boats on the course need to communicate with each other and yelling across the water while two boats near a mark or starting line can get interesting and is a large part of the game where tactics knowledge and aggression can make a difference in the race.
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