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Why not go back to a genuine bruce since you had good luck with it? You'd have to find a used one, which can be a hassle. The Lewmar copy is not as good in my opinion.

Also I have a mantus and have noticed a big improvement in short scope holding and in setting ability so far over my genuine bruce, though I never really had any real problem with the bruce either.

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I was indeed thinking about another Bruce. Is there a problem with buying them new? The one on my other boat came new with the boat in 2007. I'm not sure if its Lewmar branded, or something else.

Also, the Mantus does look interesting, and seems to have a reputation for digging well. Not sure if I will need to modify the boat though. (Not very interested in doing that !)
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Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

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I was indeed thinking about another Bruce. Is there a problem with buying them new? The one on my other boat came new with the boat in 2007. I'm not sure if its Lewmar branded, or something else.
'Genuine' Bruce anchors are no longer in production... Unless you can find one used, you'd have to resort to a copy, such as the Lewmar Claw... The Manson Ray would probably be my choice, if I were gonna go that route... The Bruce is still a good anchor (I have one on my bow as a secondary, and another at the stern), but it lacks the ultimate holding power of a comparably-sized 'New Generation' Spade/Rocna/Manson Supreme...

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I will have a look at the new generation of fixed Spade anchors, and see if there is something in there which will fit without requiring bow roller modification.
the Spade is a terrific anchor, and you're in a part of the world where they're easy to obtain... I'd suggest going with a galvanized version rather than aluminum, however. The latter can sometimes lack the weight to get its large surface area to begin to penetrate a difficult bottom...

Still, the Spade is only a close second to the Manson Supreme, or a Rocna, in my experience...

Whatever you do, remember that Size Matters... I've got almost 80 pounds of anchors hanging off the bow of my little 30-footer, and I'd want every ounce of that if I were cruising the Med :-)


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Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

Just learning to use the rocna. Seems to like having the rode spooled out as you drift back and then allowed to settle awhile before you back down to check the set. Great anchor. Had trouble with oyster beds but then all anchors do. Have fortress up forward as a second. Still in the bag.
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Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

Rocna, all the way. But all the new gens are the same really.
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Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

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I was indeed thinking about another Bruce. Is there a problem with buying them new? The one on my other boat came new with the boat in 2007. I'm not sure if its Lewmar branded, or something else.

Also, the Mantus does look interesting, and seems to have a reputation for digging well. Not sure if I will need to modify the boat though. (Not very interested in doing that !)
Lewmar put out a copy of the bruce anchor but they changed a lot of things like fluke and stock angles. The angles of lewmar claws (bruce copies) vary dependig on size as well, which is not something you see with any other anchor. the bruce group is no longer making small boat anchors, so you have to find a used one.

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Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

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It WILL NOT SET,
Doesn't seem to matter whether I try to set it fast, slow, long scope, short scope whatever.

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Hi Dean,


My Delta wont set if I dont put out enough scope. I know you said you have put out plenty, but your plenty and my plenty may disagree!
Give it a go and put out 5 times scope INCLUDING the measurement from water line to bow roller. thats another two meters in many boats.

I am currently parked in 6 meters of water so the scope 'should' be 18 meters.
I have 40 meters out.
I can roll back on the bastard and it wont more an inch.

We have squalls through here every few days 35 knots or so. My Delta wont move at all.

So give it another try but this time put out LOTS of chain. Remember those areas you are anchoring in the Med can have some much deeper anchorages than other places you are used to. If you are anchoring in 20 meters of water you need to get a lot of chain on the ground before the angle of the dangle is what it needs to dig in. At 20 meters you may not have chain to go 5:1, but stick out what you have and see.


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Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

Funnily enough the only anchor I've ever had that I really did not like was a Danforth, though that was very early on and technique and lack of chain may have been a stumbling block.

Right now we have a Bruce as main and Spade as backup. Bruce is rubbish in weed, have never deployed the Spade. (It's smaller than the Bruce and aluminium). I'm told btw that Spades are very good in weed.

By choice I'd probably go Spade at an appropriate size with Fortress as backup but would be more than happy to substitute Rocna for the Spade.
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Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

Not sure you should have given up on the Danforth so quick just because you dragged once.
I have 2 over size Danforth's but have stayed place using just 1 in crazy conditions. Yes I have dragged a few times but only in areas where nothing will hold, like the center of Back creek Annapolis. Had the boat heeling over 25* doing 360's in Hilton Head on the one anchor thinking there was no way I should be holding but it did while I enjoyed a wild ride. to make the 1st mate happy I put my dingy mushroom anchor 10' up the chain just for her piece of mind.
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Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

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Given the discussions over the past couple of years, I'm surprised you ended up with any sort of delta anchor instead of one of the "new generation" types (rocna/manson supreme/mantus). Apparently they are the bees knees. Until a new one comes along of course.
People have circled the globe hanging off CQR and Bruce anchors. They are just fine. The fact that there are better alternatives doesn't make them any worse than they ever were. It just means you can do better.

Delta anchors are better.

The new generation scoop anchors are much better yet. Rocna, Spade, Manson Supreme, Mantus, and Raya are outstanding anchors that make older designs pale by comparison.

It's nice to have an anchor that isn't based on something intended to drag ...

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Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

my thinking is that the type of anchor is less important than lots of factors ie size,amount of chain,amount of scope and proper setting technique,on some bottoms no anchor will hold!the tide change is the critical time,and to be candid during periods of extreme weather sound sleep is virtually impossible
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