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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

I agree with Chef here.. every little bit we can do to keep the waters clean helps.
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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

I use the shoreside bathrooms. Less expensive head repairs that way! On board is typically emergency only.
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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

Thanks for all the comments. Interesting discussion.

I do know what the laws are in the US, and my OP is suggesting that some of our liveaboards are breaking those laws. Although I did not intend this to turn into a debate into the value of those laws, I guess it was inevitable.

Also, FWIW, the boats in my marina would not stink up the harbor by dumping their stuff. We are right in the Delaware River, not in a stagnant cove, and we have 2-3 knot tidal currents running through 24/7. That's not to say that it's right to dump your stuff illegally, but it's not the kind of nuisance that it might be in other marinas.

I do roll my eyes, however, at those who rant over the huge municipal and commercial sources of nutrients and then claim boats should be unregulated because they're such a small contributor. I believe that you can't regulate one without the regulating other, even if only for symbolism. It seems that we've crapped all over our whole planet by arguing that "what I'm dumping is such a small fraction of the whole thing." That's a dangerous attitude.
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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

In answer to the problems of fecal waste in the sea, the Federal Ecological Contaminant Emission System ( FECES ) has declared that all marine animals with a mass of more than 1 KG shall have at all times an accepted and approved fecal containment system in place. This containment system, or DIAPER, must be made of biodegradable materials, be made from at least 70% recycled materials, and disposed of properly.

Any marine life forms not conforming to the new FECES containment system protocols will be fined not less than $100,000.00 USD for each occurrence of discharge of contaminants.

The obama administration estimates that the government will soon balance the budget with FECES proceeds.
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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

Our marina requires live aboards to prove at least quarterly pumpouts or that they have no MSD.

The discussion of dumping vs pumping doesn't make sense in this thread. Does anyone think that dumping in a marina with limited water flow us a good idea?
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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

I am sure that no one thinks dumping in the closed marina area is a good idea. I am with several others a little bit confused at why in the world it makes a bit of difference when offshore, or outside a closed marina. Poop is poop, mine or a fishes, and my poop is not somehow more toxic in the environment than a fishes. Some of the tree hugger nutjobs think that humans are an invasive species wherever they go, they claim we are always in some other creature's environment, I want to know where the heck mine is? I can't poop, I can't eat, I can't build my nest, or do anything else without having some goofball tree hugger tell me I am invading, killing, or somehow harming the freaking planet, well humans are from this planet, this is where our environment is, and my poop is not more toxic than a polar bears poop.

Now I do not want to have my turds floating around the marina, or yours, but about the time I get 1/4 mile out from a closed small area I just do not see how mine is any worse than the freaking dolphins, sharks, whales, polar bears, or whatever other critters are pooping in the water. We need to be clean, but we need to get our heads on straight, and not be ridiculous about the laws we allow to be imposed on us by idiots who think all humans are scum, and should be eliminated from the planet so the animals would have it all to themselves. (trust me there are nuts who think that way).
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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

Are there any jobs at this FECES organization? I'm sure I've got all the qualifications in pumping, dumping and holding to satisfy any requirements.
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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

There are 8 million threads with that discussion, no reason to dilute this thread with it.

We are also not going to change the laws by debating it here.
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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

OK, good personal hygiene is what we all should consider. Dumping your sewage in your marina just plain isn't sanitary. Certain personality types cover their laziness and indifference with excuses like those mentioned.
I guess I'd have to say "get off your lazy ass and motor over to the pump out and do your adult duty " no excuses for being knowingly filthy. GROW UP
Besides knowing one of the worst things you can do to your engine is let it set for long periods, fire up and run it now and then. We live aboard and use our head on a regular basis. We pump out every 10-14 days and use the event to keep the boat in good working order.
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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

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Are there any jobs at this FECES organization? I'm sure I've got all the qualifications in pumping, dumping and holding to satisfy any requirements.
Oh Lord, it is just toooo easy...


Uhm yes, I am sure that obama has a place in FECES for you.
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