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The moral of this story: The Chesapeake Bay is nasty. Boaters justify dumping their sewage overboard because the neighboring municipalities are already dumping so much that no one will notice the difference.
Not ONE of us has advocated boaters dump their tanks..If you don't like the perspective or opinion, that is fine, but drop the assumptions.

Having had a boat on the Chesapeake for well over 40 years, I have never dumped anything in the bay, let alone sewage. Nor have I personally known a fellow boater to have done so. You too, make assumptions that are unfounded.

I DO however, encourage the use of on board treatment systems, and have had a hold-n-treat system and was, and still am confident that it's discharge (legal, btw) is cleaner and more robust than any shore side system or septic tank

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Not exaclty..........
As was told to me by a PhD Oceanographer:
With the exception of a few crowded and poorly circulating anchorages, we don't have instruments sensitive enough to detect the difference between boats using or not using holding tanks.

I sailed all over the British Virgin Islands where the water is NOT nasty and no one would ever think to use a holding tank there either.

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Re: Do marina liveaboards dump their s@!^ in the river?

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OK, so it's time to ask a question that I've often wondered about.

Our marina has several year-round liveaboards - a few on sailboats, and a couple more on motorboats. These boats NEVER leave the marina. Based on the appearance of the boats, they may not be able to go anywhere.

The people on these boats range from almost-homeless to normal, working guys trying to live a minimalist lifestyle. The normal guys are nice people, and they help the security of the marina because they're always around.

I would never ask this question to their faces, because I don't want to stir up trouble, but I do wonder what these guys do with their holding tanks. Our marina's pumpout is at the gas dock (can't come to your slip), and it rarely works anyway due to improper installation (always loses its prime because the pump is 150' away from the end of the hose).

I just suspect that these guys open their T-valves when the river current is ripping through.

So what do you think? Do any of you have liveaboards that never leave the marina? What do you suspect that they do?
I suspect that those liveaboards dump, to answer your question directly.

If a marina allows liveaboards, the marina should offer free pumpouts. In our old marina in Kemah, the best option was to have a pumpout boat come to your slip. Redfish Island Marine | Pump-Out Services

The cost, if I recall was $25.00-$30.00 for a pumpout. Kind of steep, no? If the service was free, wouldn't most liveaboards use the service? If it is unlawful to dump in an area, shouldn't pumpouts be free (or available for a reasonable fee), and should be convenient as well.

The City of Marathon has solved the problem. My hat is off to them. With a mooring (at a reasonable fee), there is a mandatory pumpout once each week. They pump different rows of moorings on different days, so you are assigned a day when you sign up for a mooring. The cost for the pumpout is $0.00! Boot Key is now pretty clean. In the past, it was a mess from what I have read. The mandatory pumpout is taken very seriously, and no one will slide for long. If a boat doesn't have a proper MSD setup, they will get nailed.

St. Augustine also has free pumpouts. Just call, and they send the pumpout boat out to your boat. Not mandatory however.

My point is that marinas should be required to offer a solution to pumpout issues. The cost of doing business.



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oh, okay, thank you most almighty guardian of the interwebs and supporter of some party that is not my own LOL. Get real, a joke can be made just about anywhere. Take it for what it was, a joke, and one some people thought was sort of funny.
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When I had one of my previous boats in the marina at Port Isabel they did not have a service to pump out except at the fuel dock IIRC, but since I was not living on the boat it never made much difference. I certainly would not ever want to dump my waste overboard in a marina, that is nasty. I have absolutely no issue with someone on a boat out in the gulf dumping their tanks overboard, especially if they have a macerator system or an electrosan, I just cannot see where people poop is any worse than fish poop in open waters. I am with the others that have said that this is feel good look what we are doing legislation. Oh holy moses, I said legislation...that might be partisan political talk.

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Years ago, when all boats pumped directly overboard, you had to look carefully before diving in for a swim. Great Salt Pond at Block was a perfect example...plenty of trapped, floating turds. Now the pump boat comes around frequently and the harbor is clean. This is a good thing.

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Years ago, when all boats pumped directly overboard, you had to look carefully before diving in for a swim. Great Salt Pond at Block was a perfect example...plenty of trapped, floating turds. Now the pump boat comes around frequently and the harbor is clean. This is a good thing.
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Years ago, when all boats pumped directly overboard, you had to look carefully before diving in for a swim. Great Salt Pond at Block was a perfect example...plenty of trapped, floating turds. Now the pump boat comes around frequently and the harbor is clean. This is a good thing.
I think this is the most important counter-argument to those who claim that boat discharges are negligible. Yes, once fully diluted, the discharge may be negligible. But at the time you discharge it, it is highly concentrated, and it can take time to mix with the other water. In a closed cove, it could hang around for days. But even in an open body like the Chesapeake, it could take hours, during which time someone could swim or waterski through it. So it might be negligible compared to other discharges, but not to the person who comes along at the wrong time.
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Not exaclty..........
...I sailed all over the British Virgin Islands where the water is NOT nasty and no one would ever think to use a holding tank there either.
Actually the water can be pretty nasty in Roadtown. Go into the Moorings/Sunsail/Footloose marina and walk back into the back part where they keep the Footloose boats. There's a vile smell there. I don't know whether it's from charter boats leaving their T-valves open, or from Roadtown discharging sewage into that area, but it's a most unwelcome odor, and I suspect that's why the most upscale Moorings yachts are kept at the outer part of the marina.

I've also read that things get pretty stinky over by Conch Charters, but I have not been over there to personally witness it.

My point is that you can even stink up paradise, especially in populated areas.


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oh, okay, thank you most almighty guardian of the interwebs and supporter of some party that is not my own LOL. Get real, a joke can be made just about anywhere. Take it for what it was, a joke, and one some people thought was sort of funny.
Mark not that I am the guardian of the internet and no need to be sarcastic about it. I like a spirited political argument like the best of them. But starting on Obama here in these forums will lead others like me to answer in kind about other inept politicians and then these threads turn political. All I was asking is that these forums be kept pristine of the Obama comments or any other political banter for others who don't want to read it here and take it to the political forum

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