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Re: Dock vs. mooring

We have a slip this year, and the possibility of a mooring next. We like the slip right now as we have a 1 year old and it makes getting all the kid stuff back and forth. After a year or two, I think we would like the mooring as well.

Our marina is very quiet as it is mostly for folks that keep a boat there to get to a remote cabin so they don't hang out at the marina. But, even though they allow it, we never stay the night at the slip. We always head out, find an empty cove and anchor for the night.

I can see many pros and cons to both depending on the situation.
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Not trying to sell anything I will say that part of my competitive advantage is serving boats on moorings and at anchor. Saving a transient client slip fees helps them a lot.
Ditto! I work on mooring sailed boats every day...

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Ditto! I work on mooring sailed boats every day...
Great. Let's compare work boats someday. I'm still running around in a 9' RIB while I breath life into an old Grady-White Chesapeake with an outboard conversion.

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Great. Let's compare work boats someday. I'm still running around in a 9' RIB while I breath life into an old Grady-White Chesapeake with an outboard conversion.
I am lucky that I mostly get to utilize club launches when I work on boats of members of yacht clubs.. I use my AB RIB if servicing a customer on a town mooring. The RIB is not ideal but works. Learning to manage what to bring takes time but eventually you get the knack. About 90% of the jobs I do these days I nail in 1 trip... Leaving the boat to get stuff is costly....

I am trying to find a "work boat" right now that I can;

A) Fit my tools in
B) Build a compartment/box that will keep them dry & secure
C) Has good fuel efficiency
D) Self bailer or won't sink with plug out.......
E) Max of 15'-17'

Been watching CL for a while but most of what I find is junk. I will find a good deal over the winter though.. A friend is a diver, works on moored boats too, and has a Maritime Skiff that is perfect but they hold their value STUPIDLY up here in Maine. A Maritime Skiff would be my first choice.. Sadly a complete beater is only a few % off a new hull and they sell in a few days......

Kind of eyeballing 17' Whalers at this point but again they hold value ridiculously.. Also would not mind an Amesbury Skiff or Bristol Skiff.. I do not want a v-hull as our bay can be quite flat and a boat with a flatter bottom uses less fuel...

Heading out to do a very heavy inverter charger right now, and that is awkward stuff to lug......

Despite my discussions with him the customer insisted on a X*****x I/C, to replace the existing failed X*****x I/C, so this will be an annuity for me... I'm sure I'll do it again in a few years...

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Re: Dock vs. mooring

Some more thoughts - this equation changes a LOT with the local area. In a place with a lot of moorings, there will be infrastructure to support the boats. Example - Swan Creek Marina in Rock Hall has a number of moorings. They have a dinghy dock, a place to pull up and load, water, showers, etc. Many harbors I have been to in New England and Maine were primarily set up for moorings. The high tide range makes docks an issue if they aren't floating docks. Some other areas - not so much. In Maryland we have "good" mooring areas and "bad" mooring areas. The good ones tend to be run by a local marina or organized by the local town. Getting a mooring within the boundries of Annapolis waters is quite the accomplishment. There is a waiting list that is DECADES long or at least it used to be. The "bad" areas tend to look like a bunch of boats whose owners could not possibly afford a slip and some apparently can't even afford things like sail covers, bilge pumps, or soap You can see this as a literal line in Weems Creek between the Annapolis controlled half and the other half of the creek that is a free-for-all. Mooring in one of these areas gives you neighbors that are on dubious gear at best. We have one live-aboard in the creek that has a raft of 2-3 boats usually that migrates up and down the creek whenever the wind is strong. Winter frequently results in at least one of the floating wrecks getting loose or sinking.

Speaking of winter, this is a large drawback to the mooring in some areas. Getting back and forth to the mooring in December is not as fun as it was in June. I can still remember heading down the creek in the dark on a cold December night with the wind blowing 35 and hoping the old Dyer did not decide to pick that night to sink or capsize And then you have the ice issue. Some people are willing to risk ice and just let their boats get frozen in. They seem to do OK, but I never could bring myself to do that. Every year on the mooring I hauled out around Christmas and thus had the expense of hauling/launching/storage. I stay in my slip year-round and can usually get some good sails in over the winter. Not doable with a mooring very easily IMHO and I sure like the heat in the winter. I kind of have the best of both worlds now. I have a slip on Kent Island and a mooring in the Corsica River at my club.

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........ Leaving the boat to get stuff is costly.........
I'm curious. Costly for who? You or the customer?

I once had a boat yard whack me for 3.5 hrs to change the impeller on my genset. When questioned, they explained the unanticipated trips they made for tools they didn't realize they needed. It's in a tough spot, but the job takes me about an hour and I don't do it every day.

We agreed to disagree on whether that was appropriate and they've never seen a dime of my business since.


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Re: Dock vs. mooring

I did a job for a transient on a mooring and as soon as eaded back to the shop to write up their invoice they slipped the line and left
I wasted a couple days going to every marina south of Annapolis until I found them. They "forgot" I was coming back with the bill
So.........that one cost ME.

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I use my AB RIB if servicing a customer on a town mooring. The RIB is not ideal but works.
Tell me about it. I have my tools and parts split between three SeaLine bags and on a job that needs all three of them there isn't much room left for me in my Caribe L9.

Thus the Grady-White. She's pretty old and worn but once I get done with her she should be a good platform. At 21' she's bigger than I would have like but the price was good.

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Despite my discussions with him the customer insisted on a X*****x I/C, to replace the existing failed X*****x I/C, so this will be an annuity for me... I'm sure I'll do it again in a few years...
I really try to avoid that brand, especially for cruisers that will have to deal with customer service that ... well ... isn't.

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I'm curious. Costly for who? You or the customer?
That's a good question. Ultimately it's a judgment question. If I think "I should have brought that" then I don't charge for the trip ashore. If I think "well that's a surprise" it's charged. I carry an awful lot of stuff out, and as MaineSail points out also, there are not a lot of people that come to moorings and boats at anchor.

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I did a job for a transient on a mooring and as soon as eaded back to the shop to write up their invoice they slipped the line and left.
I generate electronic invoices on my iPhone and take credit cards or cash. Usually it works. I have liens on two boats that it didn't...

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