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Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

I've sailed on Scotts a lot. I think it's a great first boat. It's possible to flip one, but not that easy (I've never flipped one and I flip a Hobie about every other time I take one out so I'm not that conservative when I daysail )
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Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

I learned to fly on a tree lined short grass field. As my flying progressed to larger more advanced aircraft the question of where i took my primary training always came up. it was met with with the same response from almost everyone _ You flew there? Yup and because i didn't know it was supposedly impossible to land a plane there, for me, and everyone else who flew there, it wasn't. We didn't know any better. We were taught by people who knew how to get it done, and because of that, right out of primary training we were better pilots than many.

So it goes with dinghy sailing. There is no cruise control. You can't let the boat get ahead of you. Learn to sail a dinghy well and you will be a better sailor for it.

You sail in the Delaware River? If so the New Castle Sailing Club ( think that's the name) in New Castle Delaware sails a fleet of Flying Scots. Real nice people! I'm sure for a case of beer they would be more than happy to give you some tiller observation time along with ways of detuning the Scot into the don't spill the tea boat you want it to be. Bottom line, if i can sail the grossly over powered Hobie 16 and Nacra 17 without flipping in 20mph winds, you can do the same with a FS. No need to give up on the boat. Just learn how to do it.

Also the advice to get some capsize experience on a sun fish or laser, good stuff!!!

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Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

I learned to sail on Flying Scots at one of the marinas here in DC. I then sailed them for years on the Potomac. You really can't capsize this boat unless you are out in a gale.

However, if you feel like you are going to capsize, you may need to learn more about sail trim and dumping air in a puff. I've been out in 30 knot puffs in this boat and it will heel alarmingly. Just ease the main quickly and let the air out in the puffs. You should also be able to reef your sails but do this on shore before heading out in stronger winds.

One of my favorite features of this boat is its stability and performance in light air. That said, this is not a 'sit and drink wine' cruiser boat. You may have not bought the wrong boat for yourself but maybe the wrong boat for your wife. But you'll learn a lot sailing this boat if you decide to keep her for a while.

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Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

BTW, i learned to sail on Flying Scots. I love the boat. As i recall the boat can be reefed as reefing was part of the instruction. The boat was comfortable and stable. Compared to my usual ride, the Hobie 16, the FS was rock solid.
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Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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That said, this is not a 'sit and drink wine' cruiser boat.

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When I used to race FS's, I used to keep my beer in a coozy with line around my neck, because even with two people, you need all your hands a lot on a Scott (especially flying a chute).
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Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

As others have said, it's not easy to capsize a Scot, you pretty much have to want to capsize to have that happen. Whether or not the main is reefable depends on how the boat is rigged. Mine (and most class legal boats) is not set up for reefing. I have not personally seen a boat set up for reefing by rolling the main around the boom, but at the least you'd have to have end-boom sheeting and most boats(even my 48 year old Scot) have mid-boom sheeting. I think you can get a main with traditional slab reefing reefpoints, they're not class legal, but if you're not racing that doesn't matter and being able to reef the main in higher winds (15+) would make the boat a bit more relaxing to sail with your family on breezy days. Other than that, they're great boats for daysailing, nice big cockpit and easy to sail.
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Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

I agree with bljones about your wife's desires. A small keelboat with a small cabin would be a good choice for several reasons. It's a great place to put a cooler, extra clothes, jackets etc. A small porta-poti for the kids. You may also get an idea if you want to grow into a larger boat for weekend cruising. And your wife may be more relaxed on a seat than the deck. Some shoal draft keel boats also have centerboards which help a boat go to windward better and they are easily trailer-able. Keel depth may depend a lot on the water depth in your lake and slip.

Check out Sailboatdata.com for specs on a bunch of boats. Some smaller keelboats are also great performers.

The only downside is that your kids will love the cabin and will try to talk you into sleeping overnight.
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Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

I did my first lessons at MD43. Short grass field, hill in the middle, tall trees at the end. We even did NIGHT work there

That said, if the guy's wife is unhappy not being able to stretch out and relax he may gain a lot of skills and lose his crew with the FS.

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I learned to fly on a tree lined short grass field. As my flying progressed to larger more advanced aircraft the question of where i took my primary training always came up. it was met with with the same response from almost everyone _ You flew there? Yup and because i didn't know it was supposedly impossible to land a plane there, for me, and everyone else who flew there, it wasn't. We didn't know any better. We were taught by people who knew how to get it done, and because of that, right out of primary training we were better pilots than many.

So it goes with dinghy sailing. There is no cruise control. You can't let the boat get ahead of you. Learn to sail a dinghy well and you will be a better sailor for it.

You sail in the Delaware River? If so the New Castle Sailing Club ( think that's the name) in New Castle Delaware sails a fleet of Flying Scots. Real nice people! I'm sure for a case of beer they would be more than happy to give you some tiller observation time along with ways of detuning the Scot into the don't spill the tea boat you want it to be. Bottom line, if i can sail the grossly over powered Hobie 16 and Nacra 17 without flipping in 20mph winds, you can do the same with a FS. No need to give up on the boat. Just learn how to do it.

Also the advice to get some capsize experience on a sun fish or laser, good stuff!!!
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Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?



While this my wife of 32 years favored position and weather



A gradual and progressive program of increasing her confidence that the boat is unlikely to sink has resulted in smiling on the 25 knot days and taking the helm as required while I do stuff on LONG TRIPS



And keep in mind my wife has a well above normal fear of the water and if I had forced her into things to fast we would be missing a lot of great times
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Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

I don't think you bought the wrong boat for the reasons stated. While it's possible to tip a Scot, the chances are small. Make sure you always have your hand on the main sheet to ease in big wind - that will be your best defense, and also be ready with the the jib sheet too. I turtled once and it took a lot. Wind was blasting, my mate was an overly-zealous novice who didn't know a jib from a winch-handle, and it was BLOWING with gusts. So we dumped. It wasn't the worst thing in the world and it happens quite slowly. Keep in mind your weight should always be to windward (my first mistake in that instance) and also keep in mind that once the hull is out of the water, the wind pushes directly on that dumping you. If it happens, get someone out to the mast-head to keep it from dropping below water level. When it goes too far and the centerboard returns to the trunk (due to gravity), you're done. If you can get ahead of things you can upright it fairly easily. Look on Youtube for instances of this occurring. The only other thing of which I think you should be mindful is the current in the Delaware. I live in Philadelphia but don't generally sail it there - I have sailed lots on the Delaware, but not with my Flying Scot, mainly because I never sail with a motor so I don't want to deal with the currents in that river. So if you sail there, please do so with a motor.
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