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Re: Looked at the Ranger 26

LakeMI, if you go read some of my other posts, you'll see that I'm usually the guy arguing to buy the cheap boat. In this case, though, I think you're setting yourself up for a bad experience. Trust me, I'm all about finding the diamond in the rough. But have you looked into what it will cost (in time, tools, and dollars) to fix that spongy floor? When/where will you work on it? If you don't fix it, what are the ramifications?

Then there are the sink, sails, potty, and cushions. For your purposes right now, I think you're better off assuming those things are gone, though given the seller's representation about the jib, maybe assume that it's there. You're looking at a new mainsail (easily $1200-1500 new, but you can go used for $500-600 for a decent sail that should last you several seasons). New cushions aren't cheap, even if you DIY. As pointed out above, you're at LEAST at $1000 for a full set if you do it yourself.

Does the boat have a bimini, dodger, or other canvas? How is the sail cover? Does the jib have a sacrificial cover? If so, what is the condition for all of those things? How about the anchor?

Even if you get the boat for free, you're going to put close to the boat's value into just getting it seaworthy and safe for your family. As I said before, I'm all for finding the diamond in the rough. I believe I've done it twice, but to find these two boats, I literally was aboard 40-50 boats, and traveled up to a six hour drive from my home. I was everywhere from Long Island, NY to Norfolk, VA, and saw just about every boat for sale within my price range (and some that were outside my budget). I also completely understand how you feel about the excitement of owning your own boat. What I want for you is the excitement of you owning your own boat and having your family enjoy it from day 1 (or close to it). Right now, with this boat, it doesn't sound like that's going to happen. Take your time, and find a boat that has good bones. One without soft spots, with cushions (even if they aren't in the best shape), and a sink, and a toilet of some sort, and sails that you can easily inspect.

The reason I suggested posting the pictures is to let us help you pick apart this boat. If it already doesn't speak to you, let us help you get a sense of the other stuff that might be wrong. Yeah, some of us may be a bit brutal (you were actually considering owning this boat, so...), but it will be a good exercise for you.

In the end, I respect that it's your money, your family, and your boat. I respectfully suggest that this isn't the boat for you, but in the end, its your decision. If you do get her, hopefully you'll stick around and ask lots of questions, because in our own way, we all want your experience to be a success.
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LakeMI, if you go read some of my other posts, you'll see that I'm usually the guy arguing to buy the cheap boat. In this case, though, I think you're setting yourself up for a bad experience. Trust me, I'm all about finding the diamond in the rough. But have you looked into what it will cost (in time, tools, and dollars) to fix that spongy floor? When/where will you work on it? If you don't fix it, what are the ramifications?

Then there are the sink, sails, potty, and cushions. For your purposes right now, I think you're better off assuming those things are gone, though given the seller's representation about the jib, maybe assume that it's there. You're looking at a new mainsail (easily $1200-1500 new, but you can go used for $500-600 for a decent sail that should last you several seasons). New cushions aren't cheap, even if you DIY. As pointed out above, you're at LEAST at $1000 for a full set if you do it yourself.

Does the boat have a bimini, dodger, or other canvas? How is the sail cover? Does the jib have a sacrificial cover? If so, what is the condition for all of those things? How about the anchor?

Even if you get the boat for free, you're going to put close to the boat's value into just getting it seaworthy and safe for your family. As I said before, I'm all for finding the diamond in the rough. I believe I've done it twice, but to find these two boats, I literally was aboard 40-50 boats, and traveled up to a six hour drive from my home. I was everywhere from Long Island, NY to Norfolk, VA, and saw just about every boat for sale within my price range (and some that were outside my budget). I also completely understand how you feel about the excitement of owning your own boat. What I want for you is the excitement of you owning your own boat and having your family enjoy it from day 1 (or close to it). Right now, with this boat, it doesn't sound like that's going to happen. Take your time, and find a boat that has good bones. One without soft spots, with cushions (even if they aren't in the best shape), and a sink, and a toilet of some sort, and sails that you can easily inspect.

The reason I suggested posting the pictures is to let us help you pick apart this boat. If it already doesn't speak to you, let us help you get a sense of the other stuff that might be wrong. Yeah, some of us may be a bit brutal (you were actually considering owning this boat, so...), but it will be a good exercise for you.

In the end, I respect that it's your money, your family, and your boat. I respectfully suggest that this isn't the boat for you, but in the end, its your decision. If you do get her, hopefully you'll stick around and ask lots of questions, because in our own way, we all want your experience to be a success.
Thanks. I posted the pic's I had. I only took 3 because at that point I had made up my mind that this was not the boat for us. But for the right price...$0 ill take it. That way in a season or two when I go to dump it I can than give it away as well. The cost of the few things I would have done to it would be about the same as renting a boat for us to use next summer anyway. Or at least that's how I looked at it. So if I gave it to someone else I would have felt I was out no money. But it does not matter now. If by some chance I end up with it. Ill post a lot of pics asking of all kinds of questions on things I have to do and things I can let go.

But for now the hunt continues. After that one boat I do have a way better understanding of what we want and what we don't want. I'm trying to find a Catalina 27 or comparable boat to check out. I think it will have more of what we want. If the timing works out we are charting a O-Day 25 for half a day just for some more time on the water. Should be a blast.




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Re: Looked at the Ranger 26

I looked at this boat, too. Smell was enough to sour me on the deal. But, if you take off what the motor is worth, you're getting a pretty cheap boat.

As for the bolts, what reading I've done on the Ranger is that they sometimes leak. I suspect that what you're seeing there is the plate that is built into the hull to accept the keel/bolts. Probably steel. Probably wet since it's been in the water. The bolts are replaceable from what I've read.

I'm a newbie to boats bigger than 14 ft. He was asking 1500. 'Bout peed my pants with excitement when I saw he was down to 800. But, I'm allergic to home improvement projects and about the same when it comes to re-doing boats. Just don't have the vision for it. I did walk away thinking that it might make the right hand guy one heck of a deal.

Good luck!
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PS -- I'm still shopping for my first low-budget "big" boat, too. Don't buy mine before I get there. LOL.
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I looked at this boat, too. Smell was enough to sour me on the deal. But, if you take off what the motor is worth, you're getting a pretty cheap boat.

As for the bolts, what reading I've done on the Ranger is that they sometimes leak. I suspect that what you're seeing there is the plate that is built into the hull to accept the keel/bolts. Probably steel. Probably wet since it's been in the water. The bolts are replaceable from what I've read.

I'm a newbie to boats bigger than 14 ft. He was asking 1500. 'Bout peed my pants with excitement when I saw he was down to 800. But, I'm allergic to home improvement projects and about the same when it comes to re-doing boats. Just don't have the vision for it. I did walk away thinking that it might make the right hand guy one heck of a deal.

Good luck!
Oh yes that smell was strong. My wife refused to even get on it. I told her she needed to see if she liked the cabin. She told me that she didn't care if there was gold down there she was not getting on it.

If you liked the lay out of the ranger 26 there is another one for sale on muskegon lake. Asking 2600 and that includes haul,storage, launch in the spring. Take that off the 2600 and the smelly boat really is a bad deal. I didn't like the size of the cabin. For what my family wants to do it would not work that good. Every other weekend on a boat I can't stand up in!

Good luck to you as well.

P.S remember when you find a boat that's nice for cheap. It was mine first! lol




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Re: Looked at the Ranger 26

Glad to see you passed on this one...good luck with your search.

P.S. - Offering to take something for free could be considered rude, it is better to just say that you will pass. If the seller is interested in giving it away they will broach the subject.
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I didn't like the size of the cabin. For what my family wants to do it would not work that good. Every other weekend on a boat I can't stand up in!
Good, now you're starting to define your wants/needs a bit after having some experience on a boat. Granted, it's a singular experience, but you did the right thing and focused on how the boat would "feel" with you aboard even if that particular boat wasn't the one for you. That's what we wanted. If you want to buy a boat like the Ranger and fix it up, then that's great, as long as you believe it will actually work for your purposes.

What was your budget again?
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Re: Looked at the Ranger 26

There is a glut of cheap, decent but neglected, boats out there. Don't settle for the cheapest - find a boat that is complete (can be sailed AND motored away now) and matches your needs. I figured that an extra $1000 in upfront cost of the boat can often save you $5000 in down the road expenses (like replacing an engine).
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