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post #41 of 64 Old 10-02-2013
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Re: sailboat and ferry collide!

Knowing this area extremely well (I can see it as I'm writing this through the window) I have a problem with the Hyak being at full speed (amongst other things). From the Lopez dock to Orcas through Harney Channel is a very short distance and going that direction it funnels down to a fairly narrow pass before opening up again where the Orcas and Shaw Island ferry docks are. Considering that the tug Rosario and it's tow was in the channel as well as one sailboat on either side of the Hyack, and that it was generally a foggy day I think the decision to come up to full speed was a bad decision. With no traffic and good visibility, no problem, but even with just a few small boats in that location it gets confusing sometimes. I put by far the lions share of responsibility (90+%) on the Hyack's skipper after reading the above.

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Re: sailboat and ferry collide!

More form the U.S.C.G. Report....

22. Conditions

B. Weather Clear
C. Time Daylight
D. Visibility Good
E. Distance Unlimited
F. Air Temp 62
G. Wind 5 Kts SSE
H. Current 0.5 Ebb

23. Navigation Information

Underway X
Speed 15 knts
Course 315

No issues with fog based on the report and from viewing the photos form the news articles...
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There's a slightly different explanation for the use of "left/right" for rudder commands that makes more sense than you might initially suspect:

MARS 2012

And "right/left" have been used by the US Navy at least as far back as the 1940's:
Manual of Commands and Orders, 1945

Much else may have gone wrong, but the terminology is not in and of itself particularly suspicious.
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Ferry crew's human error resulted in San Juan sailboat collision Kitsap Sun

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It's unfortunate that both women's careers in the ferry system are probably over, but I can't disagree with anything in the report. Glad that the skipper of the sailboat lived through it.

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I don't know anything about the maritime industry standards - but I am in the transportation industry. As a long-time locomotive engineer, I am sometimes responsible for training new engineers. In our industry, the instructor-engineer is ultimately responsible for every movement of the train. Working as an instructor is more tiring and more stressful (when done right) than simply operating the train. Every act of the trainee must be overseen directly by the instructor. There is no allowance for "I turned to see....."

Are the standards not as strict for these ferry captains?

And yes - the "pet" comment smells of cya. How can the ferry captain know what was going on in the pilot house of the sailboat?

It's a sad event for all involved. As a steward, I well know the pressures of industry that lead to such lapses in vigilance. It's no excuse, but understandable how it happens. That is why no one should expect others to look out for them.

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Re: sailboat and ferry collide!

This doesn't ring true at all.
If "Hervey told Whaley the Hyak was getting close to the sailboat" and the captain ordered her to come left and blow the whistle if you feel it is necessary., why would Hervey turn toward a boat she was looking at, even if she didn't know port from starboard, or her right from her left?
"Both women were placed on paid administrative assignment." Wow, what a deal; you'd not get that in a commercial road vehicle accident. Neither one should ever be allowed on a bridge again. Ain't it great to work for the state.

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"Both women were placed on paid administrative assignment."

I read right past that. No - that wouldn't be an option for me either. What a deal.
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Direct link to report from WSDOT

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/NR/rdonlyres...ortforWeb1.pdf

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..."Both women were placed on paid administrative assignment." Wow, what a deal; you'd not get that in a commercial road vehicle accident. Neither one should ever be allowed on a bridge again. Ain't it great to work for the state.
Much as people like to jump to conclusions and suggest they're getting off easy by not being fired right away, the fact is that they need to get due process before disciplinary action is taken. "Jumping the gun" and firing them right away would invite a wrongful termination suit for a variety of reasons. One reason would be lack of equity with others who got due process, and they might even win on that count.

The state has "deep pockets" and well documented regulations. For that reason, they are an attractive target for lawsuits, especially if they do not follow all their procedures by the book.

So by putting these two on administrative leave, the state is building their case methodically, in a way that ensures that whatever action they take will not get overturned by the courts.

From what has been disclosed so far, I would be very surprised if these people keep their jobs. I would not want to be in their position right now. Their cushy desk job is probably only temporary, and their careers are probably destroyed.
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