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View Poll Results: What sailboat would be the perfect offshore bluewater cruiser for me?
Alberg 30 8 13.11%
Albin Vega 27 7 11.48%
Bristol 27 3 4.92%
Bristol Channel Cutter 28 13 21.31%
Cal 20 3 4.92%
Cape Dory 25D 0 0%
Catalina 27 2 3.28%
Contessa 26 4 6.56%
Pearson Triton 28 2 3.28%
Other 19 31.15%
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

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B,

I think you might have misread my post.

We moved aboard our 27 footer in 1996.

We both had jobs and worked until 2004.

In 2004, we went out the gate and turned left.

In 2008 we had a family emergency, put our boat in a slip on mainland Mexico and commuter cruised from here to there until we bought a trailer.

Now cruise half time, any place that has a good road leading to it.

We feel our boat is very comfortable to live aboard. NOT ALL trailer boats are, but many of them can be with a bit of work!

What we did think was interesting, during our cruising, three (3) boat owners offered to trade straight across, there boat for ours. All three offers were very serious offers. And the boats were in good condition, actively being cruised and in the 37 to 41 foot range, and well known cruising boat makes.

I think the offers point to the condition a lot of full time cruisers find themselves in. We met many cruisers "trapped" on there boats! They sold everything to go cruising and now can't get back as the boat has lost value. Or the boat was in an area that made it just to hard to get back home. They are paying bills month after month for a boat they no longer want in a place they are tired of going to and can't get the price they think they have to get.

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my interpretation of your first post sounds much more adventurous than reality.....chuckle......I know exactly what your saying and only have little boats now bbecause of there ability to go anywhere except blue water cruising. but you and others have taught me that even that is possible with the right boat. I am considering something like a wetsnail for my next boat but never for a livaboard....not enough room on a boat for all my junk
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

Britt,

I thought that might be what you were saying.

I remember reading about a couple who went out with the plan to spend a year or more just sailing, no destination. I don't think it ended well.....
AND, they had a large boat.

We looked at the wetsnail 28 before we went with the Nor'Sea. We liked the layout in the Nor'Sea better. BOTH would work!

We know what you are saying about “STUFF”! We still have a lot of stuff. Things we just could not part with, like 2 motorcycles, antiques and photos. We had it in one of those pack it yourself portable storage boxes. We paid for the storage by the year and got a good deal. Had to think outside the box to make it happen...

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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

Greg and Jill, it's nice to have you aboard here at Sailnet! I've been following your adventures for a while and have enjoyed your videos immensely. Hopefully you'll stick around and offer more of the "small cruiser" perspective.

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Greg and Jill, it's nice to have you aboard here at Sailnet! I've been following your adventures for a while and have enjoyed your videos immensely. Hopefully you'll stick around and offer more of the "small cruiser" perspective.

Cheers!
THANKS for the welcome!

We hope to be here a lot. May be offline for months when we head back out, but connection keeps getting better so that may not take place. And we don't plan on being so "out back" as much as before.

This looks like a nice active group.
Hope I can add as much as I hope to get! With the new trailer we hope to hit a lot of new places to us.

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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

[QUOTE=Delezynski;1098027]Britt,

I thought that might be what you were saying.

I remember reading about a couple who went out with the plan to spend a year or more just sailing, no destination. I don't think it ended well.....
AND, they had a large boat.

We looked at the wetsnail 28 before we went with the Nor'Sea. We liked the layout in the Nor'Sea better. BOTH would work!

We know what you are saying about “STUFF”! We still have a lot of stuff. Things we just could not part with, like 2 motorcycles, antiques and photos. We had it in one of those pack it yourself portable storage boxes. We paid for the storage by the year and got a good deal. Had to think outside the box to make it happen...

Greg

Makes sense to me. And I agree, I am not fond of the wetsnail layout just there reputation for surviving everything out there. Nor sea?/...never seen one in person got to check em out. Thanks Greg.

For one the bigger the boat the harder to control short handed. Now this is assuming that the vessel is capable of the task she has been assigned, The point being a large bluewater boat is a serious handful single handed in a storm. While I have zero experience with sailboats I do have copious small boat experience up to 42 feet and the bigger they are the more work they are. I have a little less than 18 foot tin boat custom built for me by Wooldridge boats, the people that invented jet outboards, that has proven to be simply amazing. Up until this boat I would under no conditions have ever went offshore in anything under 27 feet. I have used that little guy to cross the bar at Winchester bay and coos bay Oregon many many times in the two years since she was born. I guess if one has the skill, experience, and desire he can beat the odds more often than not....I must admit though size is nice in open water.
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

Awesome Alberg 30 in California with nice gear for 5 grand:
1965 Ericson Alburg sailboat for sale in California
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Awesome Alberg 30 in California with nice gear for 5 grand:
1965 Ericson Alburg sailboat for sale in California
are they considered blue water vessels
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

Anyone able to compare the characteristics of the Ericson Alberg 30 and the Whitby Boat Works one? I did know there two Alberg 30s.
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are they considered blue water vessels
When they are in truly sea-worthy shape and sailed by experienced crew, they are certainly blue water boats.
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

I am very new here and joined the forum just to comment on this thread. It is very interesting to read the opinions and discussion on the suitability of a particular cruiser for open ocean sailing. It is also interesting to read how some people may go to _____ and see hardly any boats below 12m in length so they say they would not sail in any of these smaller boats even rafted together.

Open ocean passages are 75% the skipper and only 25% the boat. These days we have more people with money to buy large boats than we have experienced sailors. And they think the bigger boat makes them a bigger sailor.

To select a suitable vessel for long passages on the open ocean where you may be many days from land, please make sure it can safely carry provisions for your crew. I say safely because if you overload your boat or have to stow too many provisions (such as extra fuel in cans) on deck it will adversely affect how your boat will handle in heavy seas. Evaluating a boat for 10 or more days at sea involves firstly making a list of everything you have to carry onboard. If the boat cannot carry all your provisions, with most of the weight below or close to the waterline (especially fresh water and diesel fuel, which are the heaviest of your provisions), then it will not work. You can get away with loading a boat top heavy for coastal sailing or areas like the eastern Caribbean where you can run for shelter within a few hours to wait out some weather. In the open ocean you can't.

Fatigue is the number one problem with extended ocean voyages. Especially in weather. Always remember that and be prepared for it. If you are single-handing your boat be prepared to spend 40-50 hours at the helm sometimes because the autopilot will not safely handle the boat during a long blow - especially if you are sailing downwind with following seas.

Make sure your boat is seaworthy. If your boat is dismasted because of failed rigging, or a sail shreds because it was neglected, or a seacock suddenly springs a leak, or you lose power, or you lose the rudder, or many other critical things - your passage will become more of an adventure than you had planned on. If you are sailing solo rig your boat with jacklines before you leave port and never go out on deck, even in pleasant sailing weather, without your harness clipped to them. If you make one slip and fall overboard you will enjoy total solitude while you watch your boat sail over the horizon. It will not come back and pick you up, and you will be wondering how well your PLB works after about the first 5 or 6 hours.

If you are a sailing couple there will come a time when your partner is not able to crew simultaneous with being caught in a gale. Select a boat that either of you can handle competently. The larger the vessel, the harder the boat is to handle. Do not rely on roller furled main'sl thinking it will make the boat easier to single hand, so you can sail a bigger boat. These are all the rage now. But if you are not able to drop the halyard and puddle the main on the deck in an emergency in the middle of the night, it does not belong out there. I have seen too many times when we have retired to our stateroom on peaceful seas with a 10-12 kt breeze only to be woken up at 0200 with a boat that is grossly over-canvassed in 30-40 kt wind that was not predicted. If you have to climb the mast to pull a jam out of your main'sl, or cut the clew and watch your main be destroyed, it will make your passage much more of an adventure than you probably wanted.

Make sure you have the parts onboard to replace or repair any part of the standing rigging on your boat and carry spare sails. I have seen many yachts over the years that shredded a sail in a storm, did not have a spare, and did not carry enough fuel to make port. I have seen several that were motoring because of failed rigging and no way to repair or replace it. I have seen about a dozen over the years that have been dismasted at sea.

Any of the nice boats in the list in the poll for this thread are capable of making an ocean crossing, competently crewed. Some, like the Cal 20, will have to have skipper only because the boat is not capable of carrying provisions for 10 or more days at sea for two persons.

It is actually much less work and more pleasant making ocean passages than sailing coastal areas. But the difference is that if you are single-handing your boat the hours and fatigue will eventually wear you down. While single-handed ocean crossings can and have been done, it is much more enjoyable if you have a partner. And having a partner means being able to carry provisions for two, which means a bigger boat. If you are unsure, stock your boat, take your partner and try taking a 10-12 day cruise along a coastal area without coming into port and see how it works out. But above all, always remember that it is not the boat that makes the sailor.
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