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View Poll Results: What sailboat would be the perfect offshore bluewater cruiser for me?
Alberg 30 8 13.11%
Albin Vega 27 7 11.48%
Bristol 27 3 4.92%
Bristol Channel Cutter 28 13 21.31%
Cal 20 3 4.92%
Cape Dory 25D 0 0%
Catalina 27 2 3.28%
Contessa 26 4 6.56%
Pearson Triton 28 2 3.28%
Other 19 31.15%
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

I love reading about people tackling big dreams with small boats and even smaller budgets. There's always a ton of people who claim they wouldn't do it and that you shouldn't do it, but the stories from those that do are usually epic.

You might consider adding the Southern Cross 28 to your list too. They've been around the world (Donna Lange) and are sometimes available close to your budget. If you add the SC28, my personal list of favorite budget bluewater capable boats is very similar to your list.

If you haven't already, check out some of Webb Chiles' musings and adventures if you're interested in budget bluewater cruising. Amazingly, I think Webb is planning a 6th circumnavigation on another very modest boat.
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

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Put the small Pacific Seacraftvboats on the list: Flicka and Danna. I think they are about 22 and 26 respectively. Pacific Seacraft may have had a third under 30 model.
Quality boats, for sure - PSC also made the 27' Orion, if memory serves...

Good luck finding one ready to go for under $10K... :-)
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

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Put the small Pacific Seacraftvboats on the list: Flicka and Danna. I think they are about 22 and 26 respectively. Pacific Seacraft may have had a third under 30 model.

The Flicka looks like a good boat too. I would consider it too but most are much more than $10k. There just happens to be a couple listed for sale just under $10k on the Flicka Group website: Flickas For Sale
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

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Put the small Pacific Seacraftvboats on the list: Flicka and Danna. I think they are about 22 and 26 respectively. Pacific Seacraft may have had a third under 30 model.
Those PCS's would be the Flicka 20, Dana 24, PSC 25, and Orion 27, but none are likely available for less than $10k. Your best bet in that price range for a PSC would be the 25.
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

Second the recommendation to check out Atom Voyages - Home. James Baldwin has sailed his Pearson Triton around the world twice. Note that he extensively modified his boat to get it ready for a circumnavigation. I have a Triton (happens to be for sale) and while you can get a nice one for around $10K it will cost you some more (unless you DIY) to get it ready to cross an ocean.

Baldwin also has a nice article about small blue-water boats on his website:

Atom Voyages - Good Old Boats List
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

People sometimes forget that in the 60's and 70's cruising boats were in the range of 27 to 32 feet on average. They were equipped with very little except a compass, sextant, timepiece, lead line and perhaps a radio direction finder or Loran. They managed to get by without watermakers, gensets, ice machines, freezers or fridges, air conditioning and so many other things considered "essential" today. Obviously, this kind of cruising is not for everyone and few today would take off on a cruise on a boat like this. This doesn't alter the fact, however, that there is nothing "impossible" or "dangerous" about taking a sound, small boat on a long cruise. I think with 10K you can probably find, with a little luck, a decent platform to start with. You'd then want to sink some cash into some essential items like new through hulls, rigging, sails, engine maintenance, wind vane (or good AP) spares and at least a GPS, VHF and depth sounder. So let's say another 10K to upgrade the boat to make it seaworthy. There is a lot to be said for a small, simple boat if you can live without luxury. Certainly you'll be spending a lot less time fixing things, chasing down spare parts and maintaining stuff. Heck, with the money you save on the boat you can afford to arrive in port and check into a nice hotel for a few nights to relax and rest from your passage.
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

There are a few boats on your list that are well proven offshore cruisers but almost all will need some improvement to be considered "bluewater"

I picked Alberg 30, Mainly because it is the boat I have chosen as well.

Many Albergs have proven offshore capable, with appropriate upgrades and modifications.

Alberg 30- check out sailingsalsa.com, I believe in his blog he says all said and done he spent 40K, getting his Alberg ready for a circumnavigation

Also, Pearson Trition, Albin Vega 27, Bristol 27 and list goes on..... are all good boats that can be had for 10k or less with proven offshore capability but prolly not ready for offshore duty until checked, upgraded and refitted.

I bought my A30 for $4800, have put another $3000 in standing and running rigging mods. About to put boat on side of house for a 2yr refit when I plan to completely refit all aspects of boat, this will include many upgrades...tankage being one. So far I have probably $8000 and a very nice base for building an offshore cruising boat for 2. I figure to have about another 5-7k when done. I could probably buy a bigger boat for 20k but it wont be done the way I want with the parts I want in the boat I want so I have chosen to buy a boat at a reasonable cost and upgrade as I go.

These sites below have lots of great information;


Atom Voyages - Home
Bristol27.com
Voyaging Under Sail, Cruising Lealea Home
sailFar.net
www.johnvigor.com
Alberg 30 sailboat project

One last note, check out

thesimplesailor.com

this guy goes all over the north atlantic(80N) in a 21ft junk rig boat. On his site he detailed about the modifications to make his boat bluewater capable. He has recently upgraded to a 24ft boat(big).... search youtube for "mingming" for video of 21ft boat at sea and the building of MingMing 2(24ft). Very robust and simple.

For me this trick is going to keep all systems as simple and basic as possible.

Good Luck in your search
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

The OP mentions concerns about "sinking in the middle of the ocean" but some people use those terms very broadly. While I don't consider the hop from FL to Bahamas or SD to the Channel Islands to be bluewater, some people do. What is in the mind of the OP for using the boat?
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

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...What is in the mind of the OP..?
That's what I wonder every time I read one of these threads...
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Re: Offshore bluewater cruising - what sailboat would be best?

There is no "perfect" boat. There is only the boat that better suits *your* requirements.
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