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I was asked to be a co-caption but when I got there I found out that the guy could not handle the shifter and throttle in the right order.

Did not know how to tack or jibe or know what the topping lift was for or the out-haul, reefing etc pretty much no sailing understanding at all.

They were fun to hang out with and he and his wife were completely fearless.
That pretty much explains their lack of fear.

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I've found that once I start doing anything for a living, it takes the life out of it.....We often think, "Wouldn't it be great to do that every day for a living," only to discover later that doing it for a living is not all that great.
This. I tried a number of careers in my youth based on the 'do what you love' philosophy. What that platitude fails to mention is the easiest way to turn what you love into a job is, well, make it your job. For many of us its better to just find a job you love and sail/hike/cook/draw etc. for fun.

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I've found that once I start doing anything for a living, it takes the life out of it. Once anything becomes a chore and you're no longer learning much every day, it just becomes passe'. Sailing is something I hope does not turn into a chore. We often think, "Wouldn't it be great to do that every day for a living," only to discover later that doing it for a living is not all that great.
One of my favorite stories that illustrates your point:

An elderly man lived next to middle school and had a gravel driveway and aluminum siding.
After school in the early afternoon three trouble-making boys would stand near the edge of his property and chuck pebbles at the side of the house.
Needless to say this would drive him crazy. He would come out all upset and hollaring at the boys and they would run off laughing.

Being old and wise like mr. murph he came up with a plan.
One afternoon instead of coming out screaming at the boys he called out them and said he had a proposition for them.

He explained that his doctor had told him that his afternoon naps were interfering with his sleeping at night and the boys making sure he couldn't sleep was a good thing.
So he was afraid they might get bored with pinking the stones so he wanted to pay them. He said he would give them three dollars, a dollar each day. The boys were of course delighted.

After a couple days when it was his time to pay he only gave them two dollars. He told them his social security check was cut and he really couldn't afford the extra dollar. The boys were not happy of course but figured two bucks wasn't bad.

A couple days later when it was time to pay he only gave the boys one dollar explaining that his medication costs increased and a dollar was all he could afford.

The boys were of course outraged. Only a dollar and they had to spit it three ways. It just wasn't worth it any more. They made it very clear they would not be taken advantage of that way.
The old man just smiled and thanked them for their service and promised to contact them if his finances improved.

Then he went back to finish his nap in peace.
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Re: This sailing others peoples boats thing is looking like work

I was young, male, fresh out of high school, teaching waterskiing at a girls camp in the Berkshires. And then I quit the job.

That was 55 years ago and you know; I still wonder; why?

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Now I'm pooped. At least I can go to work tomorrow and rest up.

I was thinking I might like to do this for retirement.
Now I'm thinking it might be a lot less tiring to just keep working.
LOL. Yup, that's why it's called a "sport".
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LOL. Yup, that's why it's called a "sport".
Yes I spent Sat morning with a guy who just bought a sailing school.
He has a full time job and then taught every sat and sun all summer.

I've got to say he looked burn't.

I think I might get asked to teach a couple classes for him but I couldn't imagine teaching every day.

But I suppose you get used to anything.

It is not that it is particularly physically demanding but the level of alertness and attention is daunting. But maybe you get used to that too.

The sun can be draining too if it happens to be hot out.

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Why do you think they pay us captains so much money? LOL!
At a dinner celebrating a 40 week, back to back charter season, the owner looked at my crew and me and said "Sailing is so much fun, you ought to be paying me to work on my boat!" He was dead serious! So was I when I gave him our notice, on the spot!
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Well I can think of 10 different boats I've sailed on this season so far.
Some of these skippers let me sail their boat more than twice.

I'm pretty sure if I had my own boat I would be "stuck" sailing just one most of the time.

It is getting to be drag never being able to remember if this boat is the one with the head that works and the reefing that doesn't work or the one with the engine that shuts off at odd times but the roller furling works great.
I have only crewed on 2 other boats this season. On one boat the jib sheets were not running cleanly and we caught the Jenny on the spreaders during a tack and ripped it - end of race right there.
On another more serious racing boat the traveler for the main worked fine on the port side but was seriously compromised on the starboard side. The owner knew of the problem and meant to fix it but had not. This made trimming the main tedious on starboard tacks.
I think this is why I enjoy sailing my own boat. I know exactly what works well, tolerably well or marginally. We also tend to fix things that are "not right" or marginal.

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I think this is why I enjoy sailing my own boat. I know exactly what works well, tolerably well or marginally. We also tend to fix things that are "not right" or marginal.
I totally get that.

For me it is just the opposite. I assume that nothing works.
If ANYTHING works I'm totally delighted.

Don't forget a lot (most) of the boats I sail are sub 10k boats. The Aloha 31 Sunday he paid 2,500 for a Sandy boat.

The advantage for me is that since I'm 62 I don't have 30-40 years to get experience.

This OPO boat idea while tiring is getting me up to speed faster than normal, at least that is the theory.
Also every boat is in a different harbor which I find most educational.

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Good thread David.

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