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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

For what it's worth that grillwork on the companionway looks like it wouldn't stop a determined dog let alone a 230lb pissed-off felon. One good pull and it's gong to jump out of its tracks. I would think the companionway board would be a better bet even if a little stuffy.
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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For what it's worth that grillwork on the companionway looks like it wouldn't stop a determined dog let alone a 230lb pissed-off felon. One good pull and it's gong to jump out of its tracks. I would think the companionway board would be a better bet even if a little stuffy.
The idea is that it's enough to stop the casual thief or opportunist. The violent invader is the rare exception and perhaps the grate would yield after a few kicks or a crowbar. Personally, I think the bars are a great idea and I plan to install them, especially for when I leave the boat for the day to go off exploring but don't want to close it up. As it is, I just leave it open. I don't really worry about being invaded by anything other than mosquitoes in some anchorages.
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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She still almost died, he was hurt and the perps got away to do this again with impunity. ....
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Ummmm. No, 3 alleged perps are in Jail.

They will suffer the full letter of their country's justice system. The two attacked are not shying away from their witness responsibilities and their efforts will make that area a safer place.

Crime in any country can only be taken down by good people doing the right thing. Although injured and attacked, good people will win the day.

Sometimes courage isn't about a .44. Its playing the difficulties of life in the way these cruisers are.


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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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I cannot help but feel that people are not reading the original post. The guy's wife was hacked by a machete in the head cutting through her cheek and teeth. Are you really going to be thinking about the "fear trying to sleep at night seeing the face of a mother whose child I took" when your wife is lying there bleeding to death? "Go ahead, have another wack at her with your machete, I'm sure we can work this out and all live happily ever after."

I'm one of the last people to condone any use of force, but c'mon now. This was not a situation involving "a few dollars."
Has there been any description of what happened leading up to the attack? To me, it is one thing to be confronted by a violent attacker who doesn't say "hand over the money" first but just starts swinging. Do we know that is what happened here? If it is, I see no problem with a violent and potentially lethal response. On the other hand, if the guy showed up with his machete and asked the question first, it would certainly appear that compliance with his request makes sense. Of course you never know how the thief will react, but resistance up front is likely to get a response from him. I'd rather take my chances and if he decides to get violent after I give him the money, then hopefully I'm still in a position to respond.

So far I have not seen a description about how the situation escalated, nor have I seen a description about what (if anything) was done by the husband that resulted in the attackers leaving.
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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I don't know what happened either. But in retrospect, it may have been better to let the thugs get away with $100 or so (and eventually get caught by law enforcement) than it was to fight back and subject your wife to a disfiguring attack.
Their intent was robbery, not murder. Fighting back most likely led to the machete attack. All that violence over a little money?
I'm sure some of you will slam me for this. Fire away.
From the reports we have gotten down here in Grenada, Tina heard a noise in the cockpit and stuck her head out the hatch to investigate and was hit by the machete immediately. She apparently had no idea anybody was aboard the boat, heard no warning, nor a demand for anything.

"Their intent was robbery, not murder. Fighting back most likely led to the machete attack" THIS IS PURE BULL MANURE.

The intent may have been robbery, but Rita never had a chance to accede to anything and Mark had only seconds to react to save his wife. Unless he had a sidearm on his hip, any weapon or spray would probably not have been handy.
Get your facts straight before you blame the victims, at least in this case!
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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I thought they often killed everyone on board and stole the whole vessel to be sold or used to smuggle drugs? Hey uoi guys/gals out there in the aqrea whats the truth?
Basically, no. Most such attacks are not part of any grand plan. The bad guys see people who look really rich and want some easy money. I don't think it is that big a risk but if I did I think it was I would be into motion detectors, very bright flashing lights and Ride of the Valkyries at loud volume (think Apocalypse Now). I suspect you would have intruders abandoning ship very quickly indeed.
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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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Tina and Marke from S/V Rainbow.
Thankyou everyone for you support. Today, the 3 boys that commited this horrifying night are heading to St Vincent today. We're not sure what they are being charged with, but, I did receive a phone call this morn from SGV from a concerned gentleman saying "one bad apple spoils it for the rest, and they probably just wanted to rob you" Well, my feelings toward this is... 3 boys get in a rowing dingy w/ a cutlass, row a mile, board a boat around 8:15 at night, start slashing w/o even asking for money. We had 200 EC, a small computer, 2 digital cameras and cheap sell phone. We would have given them these items w/o hesitation. I feel they're intent was to harm. PERIOD!!

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Re: Violent attack, Cruisers injured, St Vincent & Grenadines, Union Island

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Tina and Marke from S/V Rainbow.
Thankyou everyone for you support. Today, the 3 boys that commited this horrifying night are heading to St Vincent today. We're not sure what they are being charged with, but, I did receive a phone call this morn from SGV from a concerned gentleman saying "one bad apple spoils it for the rest, and they probably just wanted to rob you" Well, my feelings toward this is... 3 boys get in a rowing dingy w/ a cutlass, row a mile, board a boat around 8:15 at night, start slashing w/o even asking for money. We had 200 EC, a small computer, 2 digital cameras and cheap sell phone. We would have given them these items w/o hesitation. I feel they're intent was to harm. PERIOD!!

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I got it from the beginning. I'm sure the poor under privileged boys will be properly disciplined and sent home to their parents....grrrrrr

Tina and Marke, thanks for the update.

Maybe out of the goodness of your hearts you guys should consider adopting these poor boys and teach them the proper way to live. I have room out here in the pacific ocean to accommodate them. We could give them the job of cleaning up all that plastic flotsam floating out in the pacific to use up their extra energy. What do you think?
Better yet they could get to work cleaning up the Sargasso sea out your way
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Tina and Marke from S/V Rainbow.
Thankyou everyone for you support. Today, the 3 boys that commited this horrifying night are heading to St Vincent today. We're not sure what they are being charged with, but, I did receive a phone call this morn from SGV from a concerned gentleman saying "one bad apple spoils it for the rest, and they probably just wanted to rob you" Well, my feelings toward this is... 3 boys get in a rowing dingy w/ a cutlass, row a mile, board a boat around 8:15 at night, start slashing w/o even asking for money. We had 200 EC, a small computer, 2 digital cameras and cheap sell phone. We would have given them these items w/o hesitation. I feel they're intent was to harm. PERIOD!!

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Thanks for the update capta. Any word on how Tina is doing?
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